Why we should not go after...

[Towlie]

guys who cost just too much; Anthony Weaver and Ahman Green... While guys like Andre Davis and will demps made plays, these two overpaid did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!

[Armor For Sleep]

Listen to the genetically engineered smart-towel. He speaks the truth. Think back on all the big free agent signings in our history: Robaire Smith, Todd Wade, Zach Wiegert, Morlon Greenwood, Anthony Weaver, and Ahman Green (maybe I'm forgetting someone). Who of these players is earning or earned their paycheck? Absolutely none of them. The wise way to use free agency is to build up depth, then draft the players that will make the huge impacts. Every now and then, you will get a steal in free agency when you sign an under-the-radar kind of guy who plays better than his salary would indicate, such as Andre Davis. Luckily for us, Kubiak and Smith seem to understand this.

[steelbtexan]

Listen to the genetically engineered smart-towel. He speaks the truth. Think back on all the big free agent signings in our history: Robaire Smith, Todd Wade, Zach Wiegert, Morlon Greenwood, Anthony Weaver, and Ahman Green (maybe I'm forgetting someone). Who of these players is earning or earned their paycheck? Absolutely none of them. The wise way to use free agency is to build up depth, then draft the players that will make the huge impacts. Every now and then, you will get a steal in free agency when you sign an under-the-radar kind of guy who plays better than his salary would indicate, such as Andre Davis. Luckily for us, Kubiak and Smith seem to understand this.

Thinking about the CC days is making me puke in my mouth a little.

[dattexboy]

most people may not agree with me but I always thought Kailee Wong was average...and the re-signing of Gary Walker was horrible too!

[headsplint]

Listen to the genetically engineered smart-towel. He speaks the truth. Think back on all the big free agent signings in our history: Robaire Smith, Todd Wade, Zach Wiegert, Morlon Greenwood, Anthony Weaver, and Ahman Green (maybe I'm forgetting someone). Who of these players is earning or earned their paycheck? Absolutely none of them. The wise way to use free agency is to build up depth, then draft the players that will make the huge impacts. Every now and then, you will get a steal in free agency when you sign an under-the-radar kind of guy who plays better than his salary would indicate, such as Andre Davis. Luckily for us, Kubiak and Smith seem to understand this.

I agree except for Greenwood, I thought he had a better than average season this year.

[Armor For Sleep]

I agree except for Greenwood, I thought he had a better than average season this year.

I wasn't saying necessarily that he had a bad year, just that he didn't play up to his $4.75M cap number. He will count $5.5M next year. He's paid like he's an elite LB, but he doesn't play like one.

[headsplint]

I wasn't saying necessarily that he had a bad year, just that he didn't play up to his $4.75M cap number. He will count $5.5M next year. He's paid like he's an elite LB, but he doesn't play like one.

ya i can agree with that.

[Wolf123]

Listen to the genetically engineered smart-towel. He speaks the truth. Think back on all the big free agent signings in our history: Robaire Smith, Todd Wade, Zach Wiegert, Morlon Greenwood, Anthony Weaver, and Ahman Green (maybe I'm forgetting someone). Who of these players is earning or earned their paycheck? Absolutely none of them. The wise way to use free agency is to build up depth, then draft the players that will make the huge impacts. Every now and then, you will get a steal in free agency when you sign an under-the-radar kind of guy who plays better than his salary would indicate, such as Andre Davis. Luckily for us, Kubiak and Smith seem to understand this.

All of those players were taken during CC era. Weaver was picked up b/c we had to have a DE. When kubiak got here we had no 4-3 DE and we had know Idea we would draft Mario. Ahman Green can't count as a big free agent pickup. He only cost us 6 million guaranteed. Thats barely anything in the free agent market.

[ubecool454]

Listen to the genetically engineered smart-towel. He speaks the truth. Think back on all the big free agent signings in our history: Robaire Smith, Todd Wade, Zach Wiegert, Morlon Greenwood, Anthony Weaver, and Ahman Green (maybe I'm forgetting someone). Who of these players is earning or earned their paycheck? Absolutely none of them. The wise way to use free agency is to build up depth, then draft the players that will make the huge impacts. Every now and then, you will get a steal in free agency when you sign an under-the-radar kind of guy who plays better than his salary would indicate, such as Andre Davis. Luckily for us, Kubiak and Smith seem to understand this.

I can't understand why you throw morlon greenwood in that pack of highly paid and do nothings. Greenwood may not be a superstar like Demeco Ryans but he is very consistent and does get after it. If you ask me I think if we go free agency the second tier players are the way to go, only try to get them here for a little less.

[TeddyRafter]

The CC era was an absolute train wreck..

Weaver is producing little to nothing.. Robaire smith is gone and the list goes on and on..

I can kinda agree with the Greenwood situation... He is paid like a Gamebreaker but he's not quite playing like a gamebreaker... nevertheless he did have a solid season with us. I think in the next year or 2 would should be looking to restructure his contract to free up room.

I can't give my final verdict on Green year he's got 1 more year in my eyes.. then after that I'll be abl eto judge whether it was worth it..

[lrm87]

Weaver will have a better season in 2008 but will never live up to his contract...just like Greenwood. Both contracts should be restructured.

Another player not mentioned is Eric Moulds. His lack of performance was not all his fault though. Remember he had DC at QB.

[HuttoKarl]

Weaver will have a better season in 2008 but will never live up to his contract...just like Greenwood. Both contracts should be restructured.

Another player not mentioned is Eric Moulds. His lack of performance was not all his fault though. Remember he had DC at QB.


He didn't fare much better with Vince "Jesus Christ the Messiah" Young.

[Armor For Sleep]

All of those players were taken during CC era. Weaver was picked up b/c we had to have a DE. When kubiak got here we had no 4-3 DE and we had know Idea we would draft Mario. Ahman Green can't count as a big free agent pickup. He only cost us 6 million guaranteed. Thats barely anything in the free agent market.

Weaver isn't really a 4-3 DE either. His best years were in Baltimore as a 3-4 DE. He may be better off at DT for us because as a DE, he is an absolute bust. Green was a big free agent pickup because, while "only" $6-7M is guaranteed, we signed him for 4 years. We should be cutting him but his cap hit would be too high. $6-7M over 4 years isn't so bad, but it's gonna end up being dispersed over 1 or 2 years when we cut him. That's terrible.

[Armor For Sleep]

I can't understand why you throw morlon greenwood in that pack of highly paid and do nothings. Greenwood may not be a superstar like Demeco Ryans but he is very consistent and does get after it. If you ask me I think if we go free agency the second tier players are the way to go, only try to get them here for a little less.

Did you even read the other posts in this thread? Headsplint asked me the exact same thing. Like I said to him, I'm not saying Greenwood is terrible. I'm saying that he does not and will never play up to his cap number. There's a difference. He's paid as if he's an elite LB, but he doesn't deliver that on the field.

[msmith]

He didn't fare much better with Vince "Jesus Christ the Messiah" Young.

...my sentiments EXACTLY-- you beat me to it.

[Wolf123]

Weaver isn't really a 4-3 DE either. His best years were in Baltimore as a 3-4 DE. He may be better off at DT for us because as a DE, he is an absolute bust. Green was a big free agent pickup because, while "only" $6-7M is guaranteed, we signed him for 4 years. We should be cutting him but his cap hit would be too high. $6-7M over 4 years isn't so bad, but it's gonna end up being dispersed over 1 or 2 years when we cut him. That's terrible.

Green wasn't a big free agent pickup. His deal is essentialy a two year deal with six million guaranteed. After this year there won't be much cap hit. It doesn't matter the length of the contract. There's already a thread on this that shows just how much of a cap hit we take if we cut him.

[infantrycak]

Green was a big free agent pickup because, while "only" $6-7M is guaranteed, we signed him for 4 years. We should be cutting him but his cap hit would be too high. $6-7M over 4 years isn't so bad, but it's gonna end up being dispersed over 1 or 2 years when we cut him. That's terrible.

Green is cheaper to cut ($3.75 mil to account for which could be split as a June 1st cut to $1.25 mil this year and $2.5 mil next year) than to keep this year ($5.5 mil) so he is not too expensive to cut. That isn't a prediction, just an FYI.

[HydrOshocK]

Did you even read the other posts in this thread? Headsplint asked me the exact same thing. Like I said to him, I'm not saying Greenwood is terrible. I'm saying that he does not and will never play up to his cap number. There's a difference. He's paid as if he's an elite LB, but he doesn't deliver that on the field.

I agree. Greenwood is above average as a LB from an intelligence standpoint (team mates will agree he's the smartest player on the defense) but he lacks explosiveness. If I had to sum it up in a word I'd say he's "steady." Outside of a few big plays toward the end of the season he was not much of a difference maker. He held his own and his 118 tackles (90 solos) are respectable for any LB, but few of those were impact plays. So Armor is right in the standpoint that Greenwood doesn't provide the value he's being payed for. Can that change? I dunno, but usually a LB will have maximized his potential by his 8th season so I doubt we'll get much more production than we already have.

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[Towlie]

Probably the only "EXPENSIVE" free agent i would go after is T suggs only if he is under 40 million... we all saw what speed rushers can do to a QB in the superbowl with tuck, osi, and ageless micheal strahan...