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toogoodforeggie
02-27-2008, 03:23 PM
Mike Turner. They said he would fit great with our good qb situation and with our strong #1 wide out. They also said he would step in and be a #1.
I like it. He is fast and a strong runner. Plus we would use Green (until week 2 when he is out for the year), Dayne, and walker or taylor.
Maybe its a long shot, but I think if he came here it would work great
HuttoKarl
02-27-2008, 03:24 PM
He will be too expensive. Rick Smith should not get back into cap hell after digging out of it.
Armor For Sleep
02-27-2008, 03:25 PM
I'm not too sure I like Mike. He hasn't really shown much in the few games I have watched him in. I'd rather draft a back than take one in free agency. He was a 5th rounder, so it's entirely possible to find a good back late in the draft.
DiehardChris
02-27-2008, 03:41 PM
It's always funny when national guys think they have the first clue about the details of all the teams. Just stick to the broad strokes... unless these guys spend ALL their off time studying each team the way people who cover them locally do, they just come off like they don't know what they're talking about.
Case in point - last night Stephen A Smith said the Rockets need to stop complaining about Tracy McGrady shooting too much and how he needs to pass the ball more. NOBODY has said that since T-Mac was in Orlando.
will742
02-27-2008, 03:48 PM
I don't know why but I've always been skeptical about Turner. This upcoming year will be his 4th year in the NFL, and I would much rather have a rookie come in and share reps with our current bullpen of RB's, just to get his feet wet. I know Turners legs are about as fresh as you can get considering he's been a backup, but I'm still not sold on him, especially since he will most likely break our bank if he lands here.
If we could somehow get Mendenhall/Stewart (hopefully Mendenhall ;)) OR Ray Rice in the draft, I would be ecstatic! It's about time we get a franchise running back, and I want ours to make a name for himself here, not as a backup to someone else.
moses77550
02-27-2008, 03:52 PM
I don't know why but I've always been skeptical about Turner. This upcoming year will be his 4th year in the NFL, and I would much rather have a rookie come in and share reps with our current bullpen of RB's, just to get his feet wet. I know Turners legs are about as fresh as you can get considering he's been a backup, but I'm still not sold on him, especially since he will most likely break our bank if he lands here.
If we could somehow get Mendenhall/Stewart (hopefully Mendenhall ;)) OR Ray Rice in the draft, I would be ecstatic! It's about time we get a franchise running back, and I want ours to make a name for himself here, not as a backup to someone else.
What he said :) Get Mendenhall or Stewart
Otisbean
02-27-2008, 03:56 PM
I moved to SD about a year and a half ago, so I have seen 2 seasons worth of Turner. He is the goods. He has above average speed (multiple long TD runs), he doesn't dance around behind the line at all - I would call him a 1 cut and go type runner, and he runs with authority. He would fit hear very well and allowus to draft either a LT or CB in the first then add the other in the 3rd thus filling 3 needs. There are no OTs available in FA and the good CBs will cost quite abit as well. I would be happy if we added MT but I would also be happy with any of the top back in the draft. I think because it will be a deep draft for RBs Turner may not command as much as some think on the market.
DiehardChris
02-27-2008, 03:59 PM
I like Turner. I think he's the real deal. If he wasn't so expensive, I'd be all for him... but he's going to break the bank.
Armor For Sleep
02-27-2008, 04:12 PM
Everyone that keeps saying this, please provide your reasoning on why Turner is going to break the bank...I'm dying to know.
He's the best, or at least most hyped, RB in a relatively thin FA class. Someone is going to overpay for him. He'll likely get a 5 year deal worth $5-6M per season simply because he's a big fish in a small pond. The Texans would be wise to stay away from the highly touted FAs because they usually get ridiculous contracts.
will742
02-27-2008, 04:18 PM
Ok..I have to beat this horse again. I've all but given up hope on Turner. BUT
He is not going to break anyones bank. He's a backup going in to get his first start. The draft is way too deep and he's not done anything spectacular that would justify him making LT type money. Now after he breaks out his first year as a starter and I have no doubt he will, then he will get his big pay. Everyone that keeps saying this, please provide your reasoning on why Turner is going to break the bank...I'm dying to know.
I think he'll be looking for at least what Ahman got and I think that other teams could offer him this (Detroit Lions, for example). Smith is just now recovering from the mess that Casserly left us, and I think he's smarter than to put us back in a hole, especially when we have other needs that could be addressed in Free Agency and Turner would take up just about all of our wiggle room.
I don't think he could break our bank per-say, but I definitely think we have a better opportunity to select a RB in the 1st or 3rd, and pay him less money than Turner would be commanding, with the possibility that they could even be better. Smith recently said that he wants a running back that can carry the ball for us for a long time, Turner is not completely battle tested since he's a career backup thus far, and a younger, perhaps more talented running back just might fit that billing. ;)
DiehardChris
02-27-2008, 04:24 PM
Ok..I have to beat this horse again. I've all but given up hope on Turner. BUT
He is not going to break anyones bank. He's a backup going in to get his first start. The draft is way too deep and he's not done anything spectacular that would justify him making LT type money. Now after he breaks out his first year as a starter and I have no doubt he will, then he will get his big pay. Everyone that keeps saying this, please provide your reasoning on why Turner is going to break the bank...I'm dying to know.
My fault, I wasn't clear - break the bank as far as the Texans go. No, he's not going to go out and get Asante Samuel money - but he's too much for us to consider with all the other holes we have, plus the depth of the RB position in the draft. What I should have said was - he'd break OUR bank.
Yosarian
02-27-2008, 04:55 PM
Well...if Michael is out..How about Ike or Cathlene Turner? Tina has still got great legs and Ike can Jam and Cathlene was in body heat a long long time ago. That should be enough.
Tina might be expensive but Ike and Cathlene should be fairly cheap on the cap space.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D
edit: Ted Turner is right out though!
edit 2: I was just informed that ike died . RIP!
ROUGHNECKS
02-27-2008, 04:56 PM
Would it nice to have him here yes would he work out great for us maybe but Kubes is high on Taylor so I don't see it. I would rather spend that big money on the secondary, it needs to be overhauled the Jags trade for a wideout from the Vikes, the Titians will be drafting and signing wideouts to improve their passing game and the Colts, well are the Colts forget the backfield we NEED CB, AND S PLEASE.
HydrOshocK
02-27-2008, 06:00 PM
That's pretty good, I can accept that. I would have to say though that his stock is not as high as it was a season ago when LT got injured and he got to strut his stuff. This year he didn't get a chance to excel as the previous season. Now he IS the best FA at the position, but the draft is just so ****ed deep this year so that has to affect his worth as well. He's very young, and has fresh legs...that being said, I wouldn't mind Turner, Stewart(preferably), or Mendenhall. I certainly wouldn't mind giving him close to Ahamn Green money, atleast he would play more than a few games.;)
I agree with you. I don't think he's going to break anyone's bank. He's unproven as a starter and this year's RB class trumps any value that the vets will have on the open market. Only guys like Tomlinson, Westbrook, Peterson, etc would be worthy of huge contracts in free agency right now because the draft is absolutely loaded with studs at the position. Most teams in need, including ours, will likely be able to pick up a good back in the draft that could produce equal or more value than most of the vets, Turner included IMO.
Not that I don't like the guy, but it's the facts. We have as much chance of signing Turner as we do Briggs, and you know how I feel about that. ;)
HuttoKarl
02-27-2008, 06:15 PM
Well...if Michael is out..How about Ike or Cathlene Turner? Tina has still got great legs and Ike can Jam and Cathlene was in body heat a long long time ago. That should be enough.
Tina might be expensive but Ike and Cathlene should be fairly cheap on the cap space.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D
edit: Ted Turner is right out though!
edit 2: I was just informed that ike died . RIP!
He should be relatively cheap then.
kcwilson
02-27-2008, 07:06 PM
Ok..I have to beat this horse again. I've all but given up hope on Turner. BUT
He is not going to break anyones bank. He's a backup going in to get his first start. The draft is way too deep and he's not done anything spectacular that would justify him making LT type money. Now after he breaks out his first year as a starter and I have no doubt he will, then he will get his big pay. Everyone that keeps saying this, please provide your reasoning on why Turner is going to break the bank...I'm dying to know.
Two words....
Matt.
Schaub.
Same situation, except the Texans traded for him and gave him the big contract before he could hit the street as a free agent.
If Vick wasn't a criminal and stayed healthy, the chances of Schaub walking and not getting franchised would have been similar.
http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/02/27/pft-free-agency-rankings-running-backs/
That's pretty good, I can accept that. I would have to say though that his stock is not as high as it was a season ago when LT got injured and he got to strut his stuff. This year he didn't get a chance to excel as the previous season. Now he IS the best FA at the position, but the draft is just so ****ed deep this year so that has to affect his worth as well. He's very young, and has fresh legs...that being said, I wouldn't mind Turner, Stewart(preferably), or Mendenhall. I certainly wouldn't mind giving him close to Ahamn Green money, atleast he would play more than a few games.;)GT brings Neo a box of kleenex...gives him a pat on the back and leaves the room.:(
Yosarian
02-27-2008, 10:29 PM
Tina does have great legs.
I did a stop watch mock time on her during a rendition of "Rollin on the River" and she clocks in at 4.5 40. Not too shabby.
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Sorry everyoine but this is like the 4th or fifth Turner thread since post season.
Just having some fun. Now back to our regulkarly scheduled program.
Yosarian
02-27-2008, 10:32 PM
He should be relatively cheap then.
I wasn't going to say it ..:eek: but i did think it :eek:
Thanks buddy...can you get me a beer while you're at it?:(Kleenex I don't mind....now the beer...well thats another story.:D
BornOrange
02-28-2008, 07:11 AM
http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/02/27/pft-free-agency-rankings-running-backs/
Turner getting $12.5M guaranteed?
Barber getting $11M guaranteed? Even for a RFA, that is a little low.
I think those numbers are a little low. Lamont Jordan got $11M in guaranteed money 3 years ago. The salary cap has gone up a little since then.
The situation three years ago was eerily similar to this year. The top UFA RB was Jordan, who had played behind Curtis Martin for the first four years of his career. He had put up good numbers, and everyone knew he was going to be starting somewhere else when he became free to go. There was a really good running back class coming out of college with Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson, and Cadillac Williams going high in the draft. JJ Arrington, Eric Shelton, Frank Gore, Vernand Morency, Ryan Moats, Marion Barber, and Brandon Jacobs rounded out the Top 10 RB's drafted that year.
dallas_texan
02-28-2008, 10:13 AM
I like Turner. I think he's the real deal. If he wasn't so expensive, I'd be all for him... but he's going to break the bank.
Forgive my Cap ignorance, but how much would he break the bank compared to taking a RB in the 1st round? Wouldn't a LT in the 1st, plus Michael Turner = 20% or so more than just a RB in the 1st? I thought RB's get paid a lot more than LT's in the 1st round? Just wondering.
mtrane
02-28-2008, 11:22 AM
Mike Turner. They said he would fit great with our good qb situation and with our strong #1 wide out. They also said he would step in and be a #1.
I like it. He is fast and a strong runner. Plus we would use Green (until week 2 when he is out for the year), Dayne, and walker or taylor.
Maybe its a long shot, but I think if he came here it would work great
I would be all for signing Turning had we not wasted money on Ahman Green. So I say give him another shot, draft a RB, and let Ron Dayne and Chris Taylor compete for the other spot
lrm87
02-28-2008, 04:50 PM
Don't rule Darius Walker out of the mix...
BIG ERN
02-28-2008, 05:00 PM
We can't afford him...
He sucks...
He's old...
No gas left in the tank...
He's unproven...
His hygiene is questionable...
:rolleyes:
You make me laugh!!hahaha!!
Yosarian
02-28-2008, 07:05 PM
There is every possibility that we might go after turner. Then try to get Mendenhall or Stewart. I'd rather have Stewart. I went and watched them and Stewart is my kind of RB! I think i like Stewart more than Turner.
Yosarian
02-28-2008, 11:02 PM
This may be related to the topic.
Raiders sign a lineman at an extravagant price ruining their cap space ..i think.
This could mean that they would have to deal away one of the RB's.
Fargas is their guy so it would be Lamont (who i think is scary with the injury prone condition) or D.Rhodes (which is scary because of his past history)
lol
Just thought i'd stirr the RB pot a little.
HydrOshocK
02-29-2008, 02:36 AM
You can expect several familiar names to hit the open market or be included in trade negotiations. Starting tomorrow we should see some pretty good info coming off the wire. I can't believe the Raiders made Tommy Kelly the highest paid DT ever! :eek:
That deal reaks of stupidity. Not only did they just give $18 mil to a non-Pro Bowler, but they also just opened a flood gate for D-linemen to get paid ridiculous money. What in the world is Al Davis doing out there?? :confused:
3andOUT
02-29-2008, 12:20 PM
He will be too expensive. Rick Smith should not get back into cap hell after digging out of it.
They are guaranteed to overpay for Turner. They overpayed for 11 but I'm okay with that, because I would much rather resign one of our own guys then overpay for someone to be brought in. Plus with Gibbs reputation and history, I believe they hope a K. Smith type back falls to them in the 4th.
Yosarian
02-29-2008, 12:31 PM
You can expect several familiar names to hit the open market or be included in trade negotiations. Starting tomorrow we should see some pretty good info coming off the wire. I can't believe the Raiders made Tommy Kelly the highest paid DT ever! :eek:
That deal reaks of stupidity. Not only did they just give $18 mil to a non-Pro Bowler, but they also just opened a flood gate for D-linemen to get paid ridiculous money. What in the world is Al Davis doing out there?? :confused:
I thought the funny thing was the fact that last year the Raiders were one of the easiest teams to run against in the league. So was this guy that good? I think he was okay but that be a lotta money. I think it's insane!
Armor For Sleep
02-29-2008, 12:39 PM
I was just told that Micheal Turner's agent, Bus Cook, stated that Turner just had rotator cuff surgery last week and will need 6 weeks of rehab. However, Houston, Chicago, and Tampa Bay are the three front runners for Turner's services (with the Texans in the lead). I just got off the phone with a colleague in the NFL. However, that doesn't mean Houston is going to land him. Please keep in mind if he doesn't come here to say that I said he was. I am just giving the readers the latest scoop from NFL sources and ex-classmates of mine who wouldn't make things up to me. -TH
From the Texans FanBlog at Chron.com. I'm not sure if this guy is just blowing smoke, but I'm throwing it out there anyway.
Yosarian
02-29-2008, 12:49 PM
I am guessing Chicago is more likely to happen.
I am guessing Chicago is more likely to happen.
Are they further under the cap than we are? I don't believe so, I'm for certain though
El Tejano
02-29-2008, 12:54 PM
Looks like we are also interested in a guy named Maurice Hicks.
Texans | Team interested in M. Hicks?
Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:15:00 -0800
Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports the Houston Texans are expected to be interested in free-agent RB Maurice Hicks (49ers).
http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl
scottsdaletexan
02-29-2008, 03:06 PM
We can't afford him...
He sucks...
He's old...
No gas left in the tank...
He's unproven...
His hygiene is questionable...
:rolleyes:
he's actually a good runner stuck behind the best RB in the league....
he's only 26, he's not that old....
he has plenty of gas left in the tank b/c he hasn't played as much as a starter...
he has proven to be a good runner in limited carries, look at his averages....
smith owes to the franchise to take a look at this guy and possibly offer him a contract. he's a step up on green(who never played) and dayne(in terms of quickness)
scottsdaletexan
02-29-2008, 03:14 PM
Notice the sarcastic smiley....trust me there's no bigger cheerleader for Turner on these boards than I. Sorry for the confusion.
my bad, thats the problem with these **** chats, i don't pay attention to the small thngs. i agree then, i love this guy! he is the best UFA RB out there, and more ready for the game than all of the RBs in the draft(i honestly have no clue how mcfadden will turn out, but i would put my money on him struggling). turner needs to be sealed up fast for us b/c there are a few teams ready to grab him.
was385
02-29-2008, 03:38 PM
I'd like to see Turner. He fits the zone blocking scheme well and while he is a vet, he doesn't have too much wear since he was behind LT. It would be nice to get someone in the draft, but at the same time, this team has some other huge needs to worry about, mainly the secondary.
zanth91
02-29-2008, 05:43 PM
So we go from, DON'T TRADE SAGE, to TRADE HIM ONLY IF THERE'S A 2ND ROUND PICK!
Or, MICHAEL TUNER COST TOO MUCH, to, SIGN HIMMMMMMM!!!!!
Notice the sarcastic smiley....trust me there's no bigger cheerleader for Turner on these boards than I. Sorry for the confusion.Man you even confuse me...but thats not to hard...woa... what were we talking about again.:confused:
We can't afford him...
He sucks...
He's old...
No gas left in the tank...
He's unproven...
His hygiene is questionable...
:rolleyes:You are spot on Neo....Turner sucks....who in their right mind would take him.He is a has been who never was.:rolleyes:
Yosarian
02-29-2008, 11:04 PM
Looking at the RB's on the free agent list.........other than Turner...we need to get that Stewart guy somehow! The FA's don't look too appealing to me.
Rosstafarian
02-29-2008, 11:08 PM
Looking at the RB's on the free agent list.........other than Turner...we need to get that Stewart guy somehow! The FA's don't look too appealing to me.
What, a backfield consisting of Ahman Green, Julius Jones, DeShaun Foster and Ron Dayne doesn't get you excited in the pants?
Yeah, me neither.
Yosarian
02-29-2008, 11:19 PM
What, a backfield consisting of Ahman Green, Julius Jones, DeShaun Foster and Ron Dayne doesn't get you excited in the pants?
Yeah, me neither.
lol
Now Marion Barber Ahman Green and Stewart/mendenhall....looking better!!!
will742
02-29-2008, 11:19 PM
I was kind of hoping for the team to turn to the immensely stacked draft this year.
What, a backfield consisting of Ahman Green, Julius Jones, DeShaun Foster and Ron Dayne doesn't get you excited in the pants?
Yeah, me neither.C'mon Ross if that backfield doesn't get you excited nothing will.:rolleyes:
Instead of that backfield try this one (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/2008_swimsuit/models/)...just draft our RB's from this site...then winning or losing would be fun either way.;)
ObsiWan
03-01-2008, 08:58 AM
We can't afford him...
He sucks...
He's old...
No gas left in the tank...
He's unproven...
His hygiene is questionable...
:rolleyes:
...but other than that.... what do you think?
:)
ObsiWan
03-01-2008, 09:14 AM
C'mon Ross if that backfield doesn't get you excited nothing will.:rolleyes:
Instead of that backfield try this one (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/2008_swimsuit/models/)...just draft our RB's from this site...then winning or losing would be fun either way.;)
okay, I need to see the vid... err FILM on those "prospects" before I can make a decent assessment. In fact, we need to bring 'em in for a hands-on mini-camp or something...
:)
TexFan2005
03-01-2008, 07:19 PM
Does anyone know if you can draft the rights to a player that is a senior in college and wait a year for them to graduate. Smart teams used to that. The Packers,Cowboys and Boston Celtics for example.
The reason I ask this is because our RB should be (Brandon McAnderson) out of Kansas. He is a senior but because of injuries to Kansas starter he had to play in one or 2 games his Redshirt year. He applied for 1 more year of elgibility in college. He is better than any of the backs in this years Draft except McFadden. This Draft is loaded with Rb's I think he knows he will be the Best Back in Next years draft and wants a National Championship. That is why he applied for one more year of elgibility.
He is 5'11 230 pounds one big muscle that can drive the pile but has the speed to hit the corner. He is a north south runner and doesn't waist a lot of motion in the hole. I think he is a fit for our blocking scheme.
I think we could wait to pick a RB in a later round or sign a free agent as a stop gap measure for this year. We could use our 7th round pick on McAnderson if we are allowed to do that?
This way we could concentrate on DB, OLB, and OL help in the Draft. It would also be nice if we could find one more Run Stuffer on the D-Line.
okay, I need to see the vid... err FILM on those "prospects" before I can make a decent assessment. In fact, we need to bring 'em in for a hands-on mini-camp or something...
:)Love the way you think...personally I believe we should have a on hands inspection.You know... you can never tell if those... uhh... muscles are real.:D
ObsiWan
03-01-2008, 07:41 PM
Love the way you think...personally I believe we should have a on hands inspection.You know... you can never tell if those... uhh... muscles are real.:D
Well, you can't be too careful when evaluating "talent". I mean, even Rick Smith says the biggest part of the draft process is doing your homework.
Well, you can't be too careful when evaluating "talent". I mean, even Rick Smith says the biggest part of the draft process is doing your homework.No doubt...instead of two a days I say we do three a days in Tee shirts and shorts.That away we will know if this is the real deal.
Oh man here come the late nights. Y'all want to start a study group?:DI'm all in, after all we need to really study that...uhm...game film very close.:D
ObsiWan
03-01-2008, 08:08 PM
No doubt...instead of two a days I say we do three a days in Tee shirts and shorts.That away we will know if this is the real deal.
Yeah, yeah...
them in Tee shirts and us in shorts
okay...
I'll stop
for now
:D
srstex
03-01-2008, 08:24 PM
I see this years draft as one of the deepest in the last 4/5 years or so, if possible I think we can match talent by tradeing our first for 2 seconds, build a couple of spots on our team. Davis is back as our #3 WR, we just picked up a CB to help, Spencer is said to be 100% for training camp, We have 2 good QB that both know the system, and Mathis is gone, McKinney and Flnningan. I believe if Mendehal is avaialbe I would love him at 18, but for 2 second rounders, I think Smith could round up two starters.
ObsiWan
03-01-2008, 08:47 PM
I see this years draft as one of the deepest in the last 4/5 years or so, if possible I think we can match talent by tradeing our first for 2 seconds, build a couple of spots on our team. Davis is back as our #3 WR, we just picked up a CB to help, Spencer is said to be 100% for training camp, We have 2 good QB that both know the system, and Mathis is gone, McKinney and Flnningan. I believe if Mendehal is avaialbe I would love him at 18, but for 2 second rounders, I think Smith could round up two starters.
hmmm... I respectfully disagree. IMHO, the deepest draft in recent memory was the 06 draft. Its gone steadily downhill from there. This year the only real glut is at RB.
GuerillaBlack
03-01-2008, 08:48 PM
I would love to have Mike Turner on this team. He would be a great fit, and we could get rid of Ahman Green (or trade him for a low draft pick).
TexFan2005
03-01-2008, 09:48 PM
Yeah I would like to have that dude also. It ain't happenin. He is going to COST way to much in salary cap and if I'm not mistaken we have to give the Chargers Draft Picks.
I would rather sign Tatum Bell or Deshaun Foster (he gets nicked up a lot) for Cheap put them in their with Ahman and get 1 season out of all three combined and go RB next year. We have bigger problems than RB.
If worst comes to worst this Draft Class is Deep in RB's we can still get a decent RB in the 3rd. Forte, Charles, some kid from Central Florida forgot his name maybe even Ray Rice. We still have Chris Taylor.
Other names mentioned, Derrick Ward (Hurt way to much). Ryan Grant would be GREAT but Green Bay isn't letting him go anywhere.
Maurice Hicks is an interesting guy. If it wasn't for GORE he would be starting in San Fran. Lamont Jordan was doing great until he got hurt with a back problem. Got in Lane Kiffens doghouse and never got back out.
As you see there are a lot of RB options. We need a DB with pick # 18. Our secondary was the weak link last year. That is where we need the most help.
hmmm... I respectfully disagree. IMHO, the deepest draft in recent memory was the 06 draft. Its gone steadily downhill from there. This year the only real glut is at RB.Agreed... this is truly the only depth in this years draft.You do not have quality depth at the other positions after round one... the so called proven lineman and DB's will be gone.We need to use our first pick wisely.As for wanting to trade down I am against this, we need to use the 18th pick to get the best player available.;)
will742
03-02-2008, 02:38 PM
Michael Turner just signed with the Falcons. 6 yr - 34 Million dollar contract I believe.
DiehardChris
03-02-2008, 02:40 PM
You mean... it was never true that the Texans were in the lead for his services??
GASP!!
will742
03-02-2008, 02:58 PM
Haha not saying I was surprised, just thought people should know so they could quit clinging to hope. Never been a Turner fan myself.
Yosarian
03-02-2008, 03:18 PM
Looks like Atlanta is going to address their "skill " positions before QB. Smart move!
And the term "skill positions" i never liked but people know what i mean when i say it; so i say it. All positions are skill positions imo.
Yosarian
03-02-2008, 03:19 PM
You mean... it was never true that the Texans were in the lead for his services??
GASP!!
Did you forget your sarcastic smiley? :D
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