How about trading our 4th Round pick for...

[TheLBCoach]

an extra 5th and a few 6th Round picks?

My thinking is that there are some really talented players that could fall that far in this draft. One of them I'm thinking could be RB Xavier Omon. Predicting RB success in the NFL is nothing close to an exact science, and I think Omon could be a heck of an NFL runner.

DE Brian Johnston from Gardner-Webb is another guy I'm talking about.

[DiehardChris]

an extra 5th and a few 6th Round picks?


To take your post literally, then you're asking if we should trade our 4th pick for someone's 5th, plus at least two 6th round picks (few meaning at least two)... I don't think there are many GMs out there that would say no to that. Unless there's a guy that the Texans are over the moon about at that 4th round spot, I'd pull the trigger on that in a second.

[**Texan**]

I wouldn't do that. I would trade my 5th, 6th, & 7th for an early to mid 4th. I hear this is a deep draft, but if you look at the Texans history after the 4th round there is not a lot to talk about. I would do that, because I think you could draft a potential starter for the 09 season.

[keyser]

Just look at who the Texans have taken in the 4th round:
2007: Fred Bennett
2006: Owen Daniels
2005: Jerome Mathis
2004: Glenn Earl
2003: Domanick Davis
2002: Jonathan Wells
Although some of those didn't become stars, I think you'd have to say those were some excellent choices for the 4th round. Both Bennett and Daniels look like starters, Mathis was a pro-bowl player, Earl is at least solid, and Davis seemed like a strong RB before injury. For the 4th round, these were some awfully strong picks, even in the Casserly era.

Then, look at their picks in rounds 5-6.
Other than Drew Henson getting traded for a 3rd, and Charlie Anderson sticking around for a while, none of the earlier players had any impact, and none of last year's players (Brandon Harrison, Brandon Frye, Kasey Studdard) has actually shown anything more than potential (and I'd even argue that...).

For that matter, you could argue the Texans seem to have had better luck in the 4th than even in the 2nd or 3rd! They've had some strong picks in rounds 2 and 3, but also plenty of busts - you'd have to seriously consider whether the 4th round picks are a stronger group of players than the 2nd and 3rd round ones!

I know this is history (past performance no guarantee of future) and doesn't necessarily apply to this year's draft, but it seems to me that the 4th round is the one place the Texans actually do well at! I don't know how much of that is dumb luck vs. the particular skills of scouts vs. the GM/coach drafting philosophy etc. But, based on this history, I think the Texans should do everything they can to grab _more_ 4th round picks, not fewer!

[**Texan**]

Keyser, it looks like me and you are on the same wave length

[NBT]

I wouldn't do that. I would trade my 5th, 6th, & 7th for an early to mid 4th. I hear this is a deep draft, but if you look at the Texans history after the 4th round there is not a lot to talk about. I would do that, because I think you could draft a potential starter for the 09 season.

How about Zack Diles in the 7th round last year? Check your facts before you post.

[**Texan**]

How about Zack Diles in the 7th round last year? Check your facts before you post.

Look here NBT, I guess because you seen that I had almost no posting history that I'm a retard right. You guessed wrong.

Obviously, you didn't do YOUR HOMEWORK. Here are the facts for you, because I did my homework and you could have just as easily if you were not to *** lazy to do it. Additionally, I didn't say that we have never drafted a player that could start from the seventh round.

In the Texans drafting history, they have had a total of 24 picks in the 5th, 6th and 7th round. I found only 3 players of starter caliber. I could have missed one, but don't think I missed more than one.

Dude thats a 12.5% chance of drafting a starter for 2009 or 2010.

However, I wanted to give all of those picks up for someone elses 4th round, because of our history that follows:

2002 4th rd Jonathan Wells adequate backup at time with occassional start
2003 4th rd Domanick Davis enough said
2004 4th rd Glen Earl whatever
2005 4th rd Jerome Mathis Pro Bowler
2006 4th rd Owen Daniels current starter
2007 4th rd Fred Bennet current starter

4 of 6 starters
Just because I know you won't do the math, thats 66.66% of the Texans 4th rd draft history that have turned into starters.

Have a good day,

[Neo]

I think the Kubes is positioning the Texans to go for stud in the draft not just trying to fill the roster anymore after what has transpired in FA. I doubt they trade down at all. just look at the Myers thing they are willing to give up picks not add more.

Roster is full now we just need to add a playmaker or 2.

[wildroot]

I 'd like to see us trade out of the 1st round for either Atlanta's two 2nd's or Miami's two 2nd's, value is about the same either way. Then grab Sam Baker with the early 2nd from either team and take either Chris Johnson (RB) with Atlanta's 48 or Antoine Cason (CB) with Miami's 57.

Then if we can move Sage for a couple of 2s from someone, we potentially have 4 starters for a bit more $$$ than we're going to pay our 18.

If we could get a couple of 2s for Sage, we could even grab Joe Flacco or Brohm to replace Sage and still get someone like Flowers with the other pick.

I'd feel pretty good coming out of day one like that.

[demeco59]

I 'd like to see us trade out of the 1st round for either Atlanta's two 2nd's or Miami's two 2nd's, value is about the same either way. Then grab Sam Baker with the early 2nd from either team and take either Chris Johnson (RB) with Atlanta's 48 or Antoine Cason (CB) with Miami's 57.

Then if we can move Sage for a couple of 2s from someone, we potentially have 4 starters for a bit more $$$ than we're going to pay our 18.

If we could get a couple of 2s for Sage, we could even grab Joe Flacco or Brohm to replace Sage and still get someone like Flowers with the other pick.

I'd feel pretty good coming out of day one like that.

Brian Brohm will be gone well before a pick that we would have in the 2nd round

[Towlie]

How about Zack Diles in the 7th round last year? Check your facts before you post.

You mean that same zac diles that still does not have a start and is highly unproven right??? Can you name any other GOOD or EVEN STARTERS we have picked up after the forth???

[**Texan**]

You mean that same zac diles that still does not have a start and is highly unproven right??? Can you name any other GOOD or EVEN STARTERS we have picked up after the forth???

Thank you Towlie, it seems MR. NTB has disappeared.

[wildroot]

Going back to the Oilers...They got Dishman in the 4th, Also Gary Walker and Blaine Bishop in later rounds, but point taken. 4th round and down are usually T/C fodder.

I'd gladly trade our 4,5,6 and 7 for a 3. You can pick-up all sorts of F/A's cheap that'll out perform any of those low round picks and come with a little experience.

[Yosarian]

You mean that same zac diles that still does not have a start and is highly unproven right??? Can you name any other GOOD or EVEN STARTERS we have picked up after the forth???


The A list
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C.C. Brown,Wali Lundy,Greg White

The B list
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Kenneth Pettway

The maybe some day they will be good list
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David Anderson
Howard Green
Demarcus Faggins


Thats the way i see it. I'm not argueing though. I agree that the 4th round is an important pick and we have scored big time in the fourth!!! After the fourth it's a real crap shoot and you have to just get lucky with a guy who no one believes in but himself.

[Texian]

If Atlanta traded their two 2s to move up it would probably be to select Brohm.

[wildroot]

If Atlanta traded their two 2s to move up it would probably be to select Brohm.

Ya think? Most mock drafts I've seen have him going at the 36-39 range, right where Atlanta is picking. They should'nt have to move up to get him.

[headsplint]

Look here NBT, I guess because you seen that I had almost no posting history that I'm a retard right. You guessed wrong.

Obviously, you didn't do YOUR HOMEWORK. Here are the facts for you, because I did my homework and you could have just as easily if you were not to *** lazy to do it. Additionally, I didn't say that we have never drafted a player that could start from the seventh round.

In the Texans drafting history, they have had a total of 24 picks in the 5th, 6th and 7th round. I found only 3 players of starter caliber. I could have missed one, but don't think I missed more than one.

Dude thats a 12.5% chance of drafting a starter for 2009 or 2010.

However, I wanted to give all of those picks up for someone elses 4th round, because of our history that follows:

2002 4th rd Jonathan Wells adequate backup at time with occassional start
2003 4th rd Domanick Davis enough said
2004 4th rd Glen Earl whatever
2005 4th rd Jerome Mathis Pro Bowler
2006 4th rd Owen Daniels current starter
2007 4th rd Fred Bennet current starter

4 of 6 starters
Just because I know you won't do the math, thats 66.66% of the Texans 4th rd draft history that have turned into starters.

Have a good day,


CAT FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Texian]

Ya think? Most mock drafts I've seen have him going at the 36-39 range, right where Atlanta is picking. They should'nt have to move up to get him.


Here is what I see from the (4) sites I check:

GBN Report: Brohm - #19
Scouts, Inc: Brohm - #22
NFL Draft Scout: Brohm - #12
NFL Draft Countdown: Brohm - #23

These are not mocks but their respective player rankings or draft board per say..

[Wolf123]

I think the Kubes is positioning the Texans to go for stud in the draft not just trying to fill the roster anymore after what has transpired in FA. I doubt they trade down at all. just look at the Myers thing they are willing to give up picks not add more.

Roster is full now we just need to add a playmaker or 2.

Wow this shows you know nothing about the texans or how their front office works.

[**Texan**]

CAT FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just really thought NBT spoke out of turn when I had checked my facts. Dude needs to look at some of these threads and see how many views are listed. In some cases currently, theres more than 3500 views. I know alot are repetative, but not all viewers post alot. I think the dude thought I was a retard and that's why he got a little hostility.

[Texian]

Ya think? Most mock drafts I've seen have him going at the 36-39 range, right where Atlanta is picking. They should'nt have to move up to get him.

You also have the possibilities of Miami, St Louis, Atlanta, Kansas City, Baltimore and the Jets who could want Brohm and offer this years 2nd and next years 1st. Similar to what Cleveland did last year to get Quinn. Or in the case of Miami and Atlanta this years two 2s. Doubtful for Miami if they get stuck with the #1 pick but more likely if they move back. So the urgency could be there to move up for all these teams.

[Towlie]

I have a quick question... a friend of mine brought this up... would you be willing to trade this years FIRST for this years second and a future FIRST???

[Yosarian]

I have a quick question... a friend of mine brought this up... would you be willing to trade this years FIRST for this years second and a future FIRST???


thanks for all the fish. I just now got your signature. dumb Yosarian.

[keyser]

I have a quick question... a friend of mine brought this up... would you be willing to trade this years FIRST for this years second and a future FIRST???

What team(s) are you thinking about? Miami - probably so. New England - no way.

[Texian]

I have a quick question... a friend of mine brought this up... would you be willing to trade this years FIRST for this years second and a future FIRST???

Yes, it is a trade that strengthens your positon. Look at the position it put Dallas in this year.

[**Texan**]

OOOOOOOPS! I guess the signing of Chris Myers blew my whole theory of not having alot of success with 5th, 6th & 7th round picks. Who else wants to give away good talent for our 5th or 7th round. Way to go Rick.

[Neo]

Wow this shows you know nothing about the texans or how their front office works.lmao, that is exactly what kubes and smith have said this offseason. You obviously have not been paying attention.

[outofhnd]

I 'd like to see us trade out of the 1st round for either Atlanta's two 2nd's or Miami's two 2nd's, value is about the same either way. Then grab Sam Baker with the early 2nd from either team and take either Chris Johnson (RB) with Atlanta's 48 or Antoine Cason (CB) with Miami's 57.

Then if we can move Sage for a couple of 2s from someone, we potentially have 4 starters for a bit more $$$ than we're going to pay our 18.

If we could get a couple of 2s for Sage, we could even grab Joe Flacco or Brohm to replace Sage and still get someone like Flowers with the other pick.

I'd feel pretty good coming out of day one like that.

Sage wont go for a couple of 2s he isnt that highly sought after even deangelo hall is getting shopped for a second rounder.

[Wolf123]

I think the Kubes is positioning the Texans to go for stud in the draft not just trying to fill the roster anymore after what has transpired in FA. I doubt they trade down at all. just look at the Myers thing they are willing to give up picks not add more.

Roster is full now we just need to add a playmaker or 2.

lmao, that is exactly what kubes and smith have said this offseason. You obviously have not been paying attention.

I haven't been paying attention, on every sound bite and interview they have both said that they would love to add more picks b/c they plan to build though the draft and they want to replace the picks they lost in the schaub trade. The texans are not willing to give up picks and only made the Myers trade b/c it was a absolute steal!
We didn't even make the playoffs last year and you think all we need is one or two more quality players! That may be the dumbiest statement ever! Thank god your not in charge.

[Neo]

I haven't been paying attention, on every sound bite and interview they have both said that they would love to add more picks b/c they plan to build though the draft and they want to replace the picks they lost in the schaub trade. The texans are not willing to give up picks and only made the Myers trade b/c it was a absolute steal!
We didn't even make the playoffs last year and you think all we need is one or two more quality players! That may be the dumbiest statement ever! Thank god your not in charge.If it was an absolute steal they would not have let him go, kool aid boy. Dumbest post ever wolf. Right up there with Chris Williams not being a 1st round pick. Yep you the man. Nobody said quality players. Said playmaker. Difference kool aid boy.

[outofhnd]

Neo -

It's an absolute steal because they are going to use Nalen again this year and can't justify the large contract for myers to be a backup again, they'll bring in another in later rounds of the draft and coach em up like they did myers. We got a younger center with little wear and tear and a working knowledge of what we are trying to do here for a 6th round pick. We need both players and playmakers.

We have a lot of spare parts still on the Offensive line, cornerback, safety, LB, DE to fill with players period as well hopefully a playmaker or 2. we arent just playmakers away from the playoffs guys we still need quality depth. 1-5 in our division tells you we lack quality depth.

[Wolf123]

If it was an absolute steal they would not have let him go, kool aid boy. Dumbest post ever wolf. Right up there with Chris Williams not being a 1st round pick. Yep you the man. Nobody said quality players. Said playmaker. Difference kool aid boy.

Yea, because the denver broncos don't make stupid decision right? Its impossible for them to make a mistake just look at their draft history. LOL. Were not two playmakers away from being a superbowl contender so the texans will do the smart thing and try to pick up more quality players with their picks instead of tradeing a bunch of them for one supposed playmaker

[Neo]

Yea, because the denver broncos don't make stupid decision right? Its impossible for them to make a mistake just look at their draft history. LOL. Were not two playmakers away from being a superbowl contender so the texans will do the smart thing and try to pick up more quality players with their picks instead of tradeing a bunch of them for one supposed playmakerNobody said they are trading out of picks. They will use the picks for BPA. They don't need filler. They need playmakers. Kubiak said so himself all through the season. Go do your homework.

[Neo]

Neo -

It's an absolute steal because they are going to use Nalen again this year and can't justify the large contract for myers to be a backup again, they'll bring in another in later rounds of the draft and coach em up like they did myers. We got a younger center with little wear and tear and a working knowledge of what we are trying to do here for a 6th round pick. We need both players and playmakers.

We have a lot of spare parts still on the Offensive line, cornerback, safety, LB, DE to fill with players period as well hopefully a playmaker or 2. we arent just playmakers away from the playoffs guys we still need quality depth. 1-5 in our division tells you we lack quality depth.That is what we have been doing in FA. Which will enable us to draft BPA. Not just to fill a spot. As for Myers we will have to wait and see. Not saying he isn't going to be a steal but he could end up Ahman Green on us for all we know.

[Wolf123]

I think the Kubes is positioning the Texans to go for stud in the draft not just trying to fill the roster anymore after what has transpired in FA. I doubt they trade down at all. just look at the Myers thing they are willing to give up picks not add more.

Roster is full now we just need to add a playmaker or 2.

Nobody said they are trading out of picks. They will use the picks for BPA. They don't need filler. They need playmakers. Kubiak said so himself all through the season. Go do your homework.

Actualy you said they would trade picks with " they are willing to give up picks not add more". I'm telling you their not going to be giving up picks to move up and are much more likely to move down to aquire more picks. Yes Kubiak said they need playmakers but he was saying they need to get them with their draft picks. Our roster is not full and we need more then just 2 playmakers.

[Wolf123]

That is what we have been doing in FA. Which will enable us to draft BPA. Not just to fill a spot. As for Myers we will have to wait and see. Not saying he isn't going to be a steal but he could end up Ahman Green on us for all we know.

And you draft BPA at need positions not just BPA.

[Neo]

Actualy you said they would trade picks with " they are willing to give up picks not add more". Did they just do that or not? That is what I thought. I never said they are going to trade up. Case closed.

[Neo]

And you draft BPA at need positions not just BPA.
Another wise post brought to you from Captain Obvious.

[Neo]

Actualy you said they would trade picks with " they are willing to give up picks not add more". I'm telling you their not going to be giving up picks to move up and are much more likely to move down to aquire more picks. Yes Kubiak said they need playmakers but he was saying they need to get them with their draft picks. Our roster is not full and we need more then just 2 playmakers.Playmaker or 2 is a figure of speech. Much like saying a stud or 2. Not meant to literally mean we are 2 players away from a super bowl win. That is just ludicrous man. :eek:

[Wolf123]

Whatever Neo you can justify your statements to yourself all you want!

[ghostlight]

I'm glad,I know we all love our family here or I'd call a time out. Good thread for us "viewers"!

[Neo]

Whatever Neo you can justify your statements to yourself all you want!You can also take them out of context all you want also!!!!!!!!!! ;)

[Wolf123]

You can also take them out of context all you want also!!!!!!!!!! ;)

haha, NICE!

[Towlie]

IMO... the best way the 5-7 round picks have been utilized are: Drew Henson... got a third in return... kevin walter... solid # two... Thats about it... i can't really judge the myers trade just yet, i will wait until week 6... Then the whole Eric Moulds debacle... what a waste of a fifth, what else am i missing.... o'well, my point is that late round success has been very rare for us... Only getting walter and... you get the point

[Wolf123]

IMO... the best way the 5-7 round picks have been utilized are: Drew Henson... got a third in return... kevin walter... solid # two... Thats about it... i can't really judge the myers trade just yet, i will wait until week 6... Then the whole Eric Moulds debacle... what a waste of a fifth, what else am i missing.... o'well, my point is that late round success has been very rare for us... Only getting walter and... you get the point

True but its not like the casserly era hit on picks before the 5th round. Most of the players kubiak has drafted its to early to tell.

[BaylorTXN]

Nobody said they are trading out of picks. They will use the picks for BPA. They don't need filler. They need playmakers. Kubiak said so himself all through the season. Go do your homework.

Dude...I guaran-****ing-tee you that not one of our draft selections within the first 4 rounds during this Kubiak/Smith era have been for "filler" players but for "quality players" whom they could see as "playmakers". Y'all are arguing over the dumbest crap I've ever heard. Simply being jerks to each other by picking at each one's wording.

Synopsis of Views of Neo and Wolf...(pay attention)
- NEO - drafting BPA, free of "need" selection due to good/serviceable acquisitions in FA. Does not particularly believe in trading down and acquiring more picks. Still sore over statements (however incorrect they were) about Chris Williams made by Wolf

- Wolf - believes FA will be looking to trade down if opportunity arises. Believes BPA is also based on "need" position/fit in team, rather than simply "ability". does not believe current roster is complete, but that FO will continue to better the "total talent" through draft and FA. Still believes his statements about C Will were actually attacks at Neo statements rather than C Will's likelihood of 1st round selection

That about sums it up...

Kiss and make-up, you two.

GO TEXANS!

[BaylorTXN]

As a completely ignorant statement regarding this thread...I preface...IN MADDEN...I always traded my 5 and later round selections for 4 or better if the opportunity arose and this is b/c...as stated earlier...the statistical analysis that has been conducted over late round pics reveals that the later the round the potential for success DRASTICALLY drops. Kind of common sense, but you usually don't want the last kid chosen in a pick-up-game right?, cuz all the good kids already got picked! If the opportunity comes up to trade our lates for a fourth...JUMP ON IT, Rick!

[GT]

Dude...I guaran-****ing-tee you that not one of our draft selections within the first 4 rounds during this Kubiak/Smith era have been for "filler" players but for "quality players" whom they could see as "playmakers". Y'all are arguing over the dumbest crap I've ever heard. Simply being jerks to each other by picking at each one's wording.

Synopsis of Views of Neo and Wolf...(pay attention)
- NEO - drafting BPA, free of "need" selection due to good/serviceable acquisitions in FA. Does not particularly believe in trading down and acquiring more picks. Still sore over statements (however incorrect they were) about Chris Williams made by Wolf

- Wolf - believes FA will be looking to trade down if opportunity arises. Believes BPA is also based on "need" position/fit in team, rather than simply "ability". does not believe current roster is complete, but that FO will continue to better the "total talent" through draft and FA. Still believes his statements about C Will were actually attacks at Neo statements rather than C Will's likelihood of 1st round selection

That about sums it up...

Kiss and make-up, you two.

GO TEXANS!
http://smileyjungle.com/smilies/love34.gifBy the way this is the best post in the whole thread.http://smileyjungle.com/smilies/agreement0.gif

[Neo]

Dude...I guaran-****ing-tee you that not one of our draft selections within the first 4 rounds during this Kubiak/Smith era have been for "filler" players but for "quality players" whom they could see as "playmakers". Y'all are arguing over the dumbest crap I've ever heard. Simply being jerks to each other by picking at each one's wording.

Synopsis of Views of Neo and Wolf...(pay attention)
- NEO - drafting BPA, free of "need" selection due to good/serviceable acquisitions in FA. Does not particularly believe in trading down and acquiring more picks. Still sore over statements (however incorrect they were) about Chris Williams made by Wolf

- Wolf - believes FA will be looking to trade down if opportunity arises. Believes BPA is also based on "need" position/fit in team, rather than simply "ability". does not believe current roster is complete, but that FO will continue to better the "total talent" through draft and FA. Still believes his statements about C Will were actually attacks at Neo statements rather than C Will's likelihood of 1st round selection

That about sums it up...

Kiss and make-up, you two.

GO TEXANS!

That is how we roll brother.

[Neo]

Neo -
We have a lot of spare parts still on the Offensive line, cornerback, safety, LB, DE to fill with players period as well hopefully a playmaker or 2. we arent just playmakers away from the playoffs guys we still need quality depth. 1-5 in our division tells you we lack quality depth.Well Kubes seems to disagree with you. He said he thought last years team would make the playoffs. Just didn't happen because of the Green injury, amongst others, left us without a running game. Even with the injuries we managed to hit 8-8. Would have won 10 if not for that, IMO.