If you don't like how the draft has gone...

[doodyps]

At least we didnt trade three picks to get derrick harvey and thankgod we didnt take chris johnson with our first pick. If our third rounders contribute, we should have a better draft than 2 of our division rivals. Indy obviously isnt making much of a splash.

[willieg52]

So far we got robbed if you compare it to the Philly trade. we reached whenever the organization said we wouldn't.

[Sarg]

Given how poorly the Titan and Jags did in the 1st round, and that Indy had no 1st picks this year, I'm not sure the division should be our benchmark.

But yes, we could potentially have had the best first round if that 3rd turns into something.

[Neo]

So far we got robbed if you compare it to the Philly trade. we reached whenever the organization said we wouldn't.Not if you actually looked at the trades. Pretty even both ways. You are just mad because we passed up your player.

[Buckle]

We didn't necessarily reach on the player. Remember all teams have different draft boards and perhaps they had Brown rated higher than some of the other OT's available on in the draft in general. Remember I am SURE Gibbs had some input on the o-line that they were going to draft, and if you don't trust Kubes OR Rick Smith at this point (which I think is stupid given their history here so far) then you CAN NOT say you don't trust Gibbs because he has been doing this a LONG, LONG time and everywhere he has gone has had TOP rated rushing attacks. So that being said, if the Texans take this kid there then they know something about him that others don't and think that he will fit in nicely into our zone blocking system.

[doodyps]

I'm fine with brown, I do think we got a bad deal on the trade though. I just wanted to talk about how bad the jags and titans moves were

[Wolf123]

Yea I expect gibbs to really mold him into a great LT.

[Super Mario Bros]

So far we got robbed if you compare it to the Philly trade. we reached whenever the organization said we wouldn't.

We filled a need with a good player. And got another third rounder and reclaimed a sixth round pick. There will be nothing at OT in the third round.

A reach? yes. How much of a reach? not much. He'd have been gone in the early second round.

Its not a coincidence..he was projected higher than Jeff Otah or Sam Baker.

[Buckle]

we only dropped down 8 spots, remaining in the 1st round. Philly dropped completely out of the 1st round and into the 2nd round, so yes they got a lil more back than we did.

[NBT]

I don't agree at all that it was a reach. Alex Gibbs got his man. That is it in a nutshell. PLUS we got an extra 3rd and 6th. Come see me in a couple of years, (all things being equal, and Brown doesn't get the OLT curse), and see if you still feel the same. 99% sure you will hang your head and say, "aw shucks, I didn't know Brown would turn out this good".

[theyoungNwild]

We filled a need with a good player. And got another third rounder and reclaimed a sixth round pick. There will be nothing at OT in the third round.

A reach? yes. How much of a reach? not much. He'd have been gone in the early second round.

Its not a coincidence..he was projected higher than Jeff Otah or Sam Baker.


The only thing I am worried about is his Strength. 24 Reps in the combine is a little worrisome to me. I love the highlights of his footwork though, you love to see great footwork from a 300+ man like that

[Towlie]

Before anybody bashes brown... has ANYBODY seen how fast his freakin feet are??? This guy is an amazing athlete... good job RICK!!!

[TransplantTexan1]

It's not just the player but how the player fits into what you're trying to do. Otah from Pittsburgh was rated higher on many draft boards but I personally think he'd be a terrible fit in a zone blocking scheme. Brown is better suited for it (as is Chris Williams). Doesn't mean Otah won't be a very good LT but that his physical abilities suggest he needs to be fitted into the right system. Same with is true for Duane Brown.

The thing that you like about Brown is that he is agile and can move his feet. If he can improve his drive blocking and lower body strength, he should anchor that LT position for at least the next six to seven years, if not longer.

[El Tejano]

Before anyone bashes the pick, lets look at the biggest picture and ask yourself again if you don't like the pick.

Houston had a 6th rounder and a 1st initially. They traded the 6th for Meyers, who is to be our starting Center now. Then traded the 1st for basically a LT and an additional 3rd, plus a 6th. So now Houston has the 6th pick back and an additional 3rd.

In essence what we did today is draft a starting center and a rookie LT with our 1st round pick.

[Towlie]

He kinda reminds me of Eric Winston on draft day... if i can remember correctly... He was suppose to be a project Olinemen... If we give him the time we gave Winston... that could be our bookend tackles until 2020...

[willieg52]

Not if you actually looked at the trades. Pretty even both ways. You are just mad because we passed up your player.

I'm not so mad cause they passed on my player. i just had Brown going in the late 2nd round instead of the late 1st. And now the more i hear KUb and Smith talk about how happy they are the more comfortable I am with the descision they (Gibbs) made!

[TransplantTexan1]

I'm not so mad cause they passed on my player. i just had Brown going in the late 2nd round instead of the late 1st. And now the more i hear KUb and Smith talk about how happy they are the more comfortable I am with the descision they (Gibbs) made!


This goes back to what I was saying about how specific players fit into what you like to do relative to others.

For example, a run and shoot wide receiver isn't necessarily the same as a pro set WR because in the run and shoot you don't need big, physical receivers who can run block on the edges like you would a pro set.

I'm not saying Duane Brown is a fail safe but he certainly has the physical makeup and the pedigree to upgrade the LT spot in a zone blocking scheme and make Houston's offense even better than what it was last year. The fact that this is the highest pick we've ever used on a LT suggests that we probably have a guy that's physically able to handle the position better than anyone else we've put there.

[willieg52]

This goes back to what I was saying about how specific players fit into what you like to do relative to others.

For example, a run and shoot wide receiver isn't necessarily the same as a pro set WR because in the run and shoot you don't need big, physical receivers who can run block on the edges like you would a pro set.

I'm not saying Duane Brown is a fail safe but he certainly has the physical makeup and the pedigree to upgrade the LT spot in a zone blocking scheme and make Houston's offense even better than what it was last year. The fact that this is the highest pick we've ever used on a LT suggests that we probably have a guy that's physically able to handle the position better than anyone else we've put there.

The ONLY problem is that most 1st rounders are suppose to start in this league and I don't think Brown is ready to step in and start, but I REALLY hope I'm wrong. It's not like I haven't been wrong before. Let's just hope that tommorrow we have the success we are known for on our second day. picks.

[CrisR]

The ONLY problem is that most 1st rounders are suppose to start in this league and I don't think Brown is ready to step in and start, but I REALLY hope I'm wrong. It's not like I haven't been wrong before. Let's just hope that tommorrow we have the success we are known for on our second day. picks.

While I understand what you are saying the Texans drafted Brown for the long run. ES is the LT for now. Brown will be brought along to the point he is better than him and can win the starting job. I like the thought that he is going to have to win the job by proving he is better, not being plugged in and being expected to start because he was a 1st rounder.

[Dunta_23]

I like the fact that we got an extra 3rd and recouped our 6th...but I didnt think it would be for a project OLineman....sure...Gibbs/Kubiak/Smith know more than me, and everyone here...so weve got to trust what they are doing but its tough to watch potential superstars at need positions come off the board after we could have potentially taken them at 18...and for the poster that said Philly got a comparable deal....they actually got a 1st round pick next year if Im not mistaken....so it blows the doors off the Texans deal...lets just hope Brown turns out to be a solid LT....Weve gone thru a lot of guys that should have worked out and are "athletes" blah blah....lets hope this guy actually turns out..

[willieg52]

While I understand what you are saying the Texans drafted Brown for the long run. ES is the LT for now. Brown will be brought along to the point he is better than him and can win the starting job. I like the thought that he is going to have to win the job by proving he is better, not being plugged in and being expected to start because he was a 1st rounder.

Well I hope he steps in at least by mid season, because if he doesn't it would be a waist of a pick.

[TransplantTexan1]

Well I hope he steps in at least by mid season, because if he doesn't it would be a waist of a pick.

If he isn't ready to start by Game #8 (that is, other than due to injury) then, yes, that would be reason for concern.

[CrisR]

If he isn't ready to start by Game #8 (that is, other than due to injury) then, yes, that would be reason for concern.

From the sounds of it they want to work on his pass blocking mainly before they think he is ready.......Kubes and Smith made it sound like he was the better option right now for running plays.

[keyser]

Well I hope he steps in at least by mid season, because if he doesn't it would be a waist of a pick.

In the video of the press conference, McNair basically implied they didn't expect him to become the starter for a year or two. He talked about how Salaam had been playing and how it would take some time for Brown to become the dominant lineman they expected him to be.

Also in that video they mentioned that Seattle had been looking to trade into the 26th spot (from the 28th), but they turned it down. I don't know what Seattle was offering (probably a 4th or 5th), but I find it hard to believe Brown would have been taken by Seattle or San Diego.

Overall, I'm glad to have an LT (this was the position I most wanted), and to have someone that they think will fit well with our team. Plus, I was fine with trading down. But, on the down side:
- I thought they should have been able to get a slightly better trade value. At the least, they should have gotten the 86th pick instead of the 89th. Or, getting Baltimore's 4th round pick (#125) instead of the 6th. It wasn't a horrible trade, but they didn't get full value
- In the end, I feel that we reached for a project lineman, and didn't get the value from the 26th pick that we should have. I really feel we could have traded down (even just two slots!) and still had the same player.

In other words, what I don't like is that I don't feel we maximized the value of our pick.

[TransplantTexan1]

In the video of the press conference, McNair basically implied they didn't expect him to become the starter for a year or two. He talked about how Salaam had been playing and how it would take some time for Brown to become the dominant lineman they expected him to be.

Also in that video they mentioned that Seattle had been looking to trade into the 26th spot (from the 28th), but they turned it down. I don't know what Seattle was offering (probably a 4th or 5th), but I find it hard to believe Brown would have been taken by Seattle or San Diego.

Overall, I'm glad to have an LT (this was the position I most wanted), and to have someone that they think will fit well with our team. Plus, I was fine with trading down. But, on the down side:
- I thought they should have been able to get a slightly better trade value. At the least, they should have gotten the 86th pick instead of the 89th. Or, getting Baltimore's 4th round pick (#125) instead of the 6th. It wasn't a horrible trade, but they didn't get full value
- In the end, I feel that we reached for a project lineman, and didn't get the value from the 26th pick that we should have. I really feel we could have traded down (even just two slots!) and still had the same player.

In other words, what I don't like is that I don't feel we maximized the value of our pick.

On this, I can agree. It's not that I don't thin Brown has value and can be a very good LT for us but I do think we could've gotten a bit more for trading down and still land a player who addresses a need at whatever position at that pick.

[wildroot]

we only dropped down 8 spots, remaining in the 1st round. Philly dropped completely out of the 1st round and into the 2nd round, so yes they got a lil more back than we did.

Actually Philly gets their 1st round pick next year, so they don't lose a first. So both teams switched firsts, but they also got a 2nd and 4th while we only got a 3rd and a 6th. We got fleeced.

I don't have a problem with the pick, I'm sure he'll do well for Gibbs. I just wish we'd have traded down and taken him in the 2nd.

[edo783]

I don't have a problem with the pick, I'm sure he'll do well for Gibbs. I just wish we'd have traded down and taken him in the 2nd.

It seems they were offered a trade from 26 back to 28 and were afraid they would miss him. In a video done just after the trade back to 26, John McClain said the would be going after Brown and that they thought they may need to trade back UP a couple of spots to be sure to get him. Rick Smith is the one that wanted to sit at 26. According to McClain, there were only 3 tackles that they (Gibbs) were interested in Williams, Albert and Brown and they were determined to get one.

[bckey]

It seems they were offered a trade from 26 back to 28 and were afraid they would miss him. In a video done just after the trade back to 26, John McClain said the would be going after Brown and that they thought they may need to trade back UP a couple of spots to be sure to get him. Rick Smith is the one that wanted to sit at 26. According to McClain, there were only 3 tackles that they (Gibbs) were interested in Williams, Albert and Brown and they were determined to get one.

If that is true then that means they were determined to reach for their guy because he was the last of the 3. This is exactly what happens when you focus on one player or one position or both. This ranks up there with the Dolphins 1st round pick last year. REACH!

[Super Mario Bros]

If you watched the video. then you'd know it was not a reach at all. Kubiak said Brown had been the one Gibbs had talked about for 6 weeks and after the combine and the workout that's who they were determined to take.

It was good preparation on Rick Smith's part to know what other teams were looking to do and they were ablt to trade down and still get him insteado ftaking him at #18.

not a reach.