Trade Idea

[TheLBCoach]

I've been extremely busy getting ready for our own season and haven't had much (if any) time to keep up with things going on around the league, but I have been thinking of a possible trade between us and Miami for some time now. I just want to post it to see what some of you guys think about it.

HOU gets

DE Jason Taylor

MIA gets

QB Sage Rosenfels
DT Travis Johnson
Conditional 2009 Draft Pick

My thinking is this: Miami drafted Chad Henne and lost Trent Green, so they'd probably love to bring in a veteran QB like Rosenfels to groom Henne until they feel he's ready to compete. I've read the report where Miami says Henne could possibly start as a rookie, but I have to believe that, if tempted by the Texans with the possibility of acquiring a quality veteran like Rosenfels, they'd jump at it. McCown surely isn't Miami's safest bet as a starter next season. I'm also assuming that The Tuna drafted Merling to eventually replace Jason Taylor, and since Taylor wants out now would be the time to make a move.

Thoughts?

[allstar]

Wasn't Jason Taylor contemplating retirement the last two years?? He could retire a year or two from now and we would be worse off than before, so no thanks. He's getting up there in age, so production would be expected to diminish even if he doesn't retire.

Also, Sage was a Dolphin and I don't recall him being too successful there. Yes there is a new regime running things, but the organization as a whole as well as the fans might not be too thrilled about the idea of bringing him back, but I could be dead wrong.

[DiehardChris]

No way. I don't want Taylor unless Miami is desperate and we gave up next to nothing, which obviously is not going to happen.

1. He's 33.
2. He dropped off significantly last year.
3. We face Freeney, D. Harvey, and KVanden Bosch twice a year each. Who's going to be your backup if Schaub goes down again? Quinn freaking Gray? No thanks.
4. TJ isn't great, but he was much better last year. Who's your other starting DT? Okam? Maddox? No way. TJ's a good run-stopper... certainly the best one we have on the roster at his position.

[blactexan]

maybe 3 years ago but not now a 4th or 5th round pick maybe:cool::cool:

[Footballz]

I've been extremely busy getting ready for our own season and haven't had much (if any) time to keep up with things going on around the league, but I have been thinking of a possible trade between us and Miami for some time now. I just want to post it to see what some of you guys think about it.

HOU gets

DE Jason Taylor

MIA gets

QB Sage Rosenfels
DT Travis Johnson
Conditional 2009 Draft Pick

My thinking is this: Miami drafted Chad Henne and lost Trent Green, so they'd probably love to bring in a veteran QB like Rosenfels to groom Henne until they feel he's ready to compete. I've read the report where Miami says Henne could possibly start as a rookie, but I have to believe that, if tempted by the Texans with the possibility of acquiring a quality veteran like Rosenfels, they'd jump at it. McCown surely isn't Miami's safest bet as a starter next season. I'm also assuming that The Tuna drafted Merling to eventually replace Jason Taylor, and since Taylor wants out now would be the time to make a move.

Thoughts?



NO!

[Pardee Time]

Sage has already has a run with Miami and did not look very impressive over there so I dont' know how much value he holds.

Regardless, I like the idea either. I think Travis Johnson breaks out BIG this year.

[zanth91]

I've been extremely busy getting ready for our own season and haven't had much (if any) time to keep up with things going on around the league, but I have been thinking of a possible trade between us and Miami for some time now. I just want to post it to see what some of you guys think about it.

HOU gets

DE Jason Taylor

MIA gets

QB Sage Rosenfels
DT Travis Johnson
Conditional 2009 Draft Pick

My thinking is this: Miami drafted Chad Henne and lost Trent Green, so they'd probably love to bring in a veteran QB like Rosenfels to groom Henne until they feel he's ready to compete. I've read the report where Miami says Henne could possibly start as a rookie, but I have to believe that, if tempted by the Texans with the possibility of acquiring a quality veteran like Rosenfels, they'd jump at it. McCown surely isn't Miami's safest bet as a starter next season. I'm also assuming that The Tuna drafted Merling to eventually replace Jason Taylor, and since Taylor wants out now would be the time to make a move.

Thoughts?

I wouldn't do Sage for Taylor even. We're building a young talented team, not one like the Pats with almost retired players.

[CrisR]

I've been extremely busy getting ready for our own season and haven't had much (if any) time to keep up with things going on around the league, but I have been thinking of a possible trade between us and Miami for some time now. I just want to post it to see what some of you guys think about it.

HOU gets

DE Jason Taylor

MIA gets

QB Sage Rosenfels
DT Travis Johnson
Conditional 2009 Draft Pick

Well let's see since Taylor is worth a 2009 2nd round pick and the Texans want a 2nd round pick for Sage.......that would be a 1 for 1 deal.....

Or basically HELL F'N NO!

I would do.....
Houston gets:
Jason Taylor DE
John Beck QB

Miami gets:
Sage QB
TJ DT

[Sportswriter79]

Please don't apply for the job of Texans' General Manager. :confused:

[Jwwillis1]

May as well trade Demeco/Schuab and Andre Johnson for "Jellybean" Bryant.

[ObsiWan]

I've been extremely busy getting ready for our own season and haven't had much (if any) time to keep up with things going on around the league, but I have been thinking of a possible trade between us and Miami for some time now. I just want to post it to see what some of you guys think about it.

HOU gets

DE Jason Taylor

MIA gets

QB Sage Rosenfels
DT Travis Johnson
Conditional 2009 Draft Pick

My thinking is this: Miami drafted Chad Henne and lost Trent Green, so they'd probably love to bring in a veteran QB like Rosenfels to groom Henne until they feel he's ready to compete. I've read the report where Miami says Henne could possibly start as a rookie, but I have to believe that, if tempted by the Texans with the possibility of acquiring a quality veteran like Rosenfels, they'd jump at it. McCown surely isn't Miami's safest bet as a starter next season. I'm also assuming that The Tuna drafted Merling to eventually replace Jason Taylor, and since Taylor wants out now would be the time to make a move.

Thoughts?

how about we wait and sign Jason Taylor when the tuna cuts him (or when Taylor gets p!ssed and quits) after training camp.

[CrisR]

Travis Johnson could possibly have a better year then Taylor.

I wouldn't go that far........Travis Johnson hasn't ever really impressed me all that much. Taylor on the opposite end of Mario Williams should have 8+ sacks without any problems. TJ up the middle......may take up space but won't put up numbers.

Now I think you could argue that Okoye may have a better year than Taylor

[texan pride]

No no no.

[NBT]

I've been extremely busy getting ready for our own season and haven't had much (if any) time to keep up with things going on around the league, but I have been thinking of a possible trade between us and Miami for some time now. I just want to post it to see what some of you guys think about it.

HOU gets

DE Jason Taylor

MIA gets

QB Sage Rosenfels
DT Travis Johnson
Conditional 2009 Draft Pick

My thinking is this: Miami drafted Chad Henne and lost Trent Green, so they'd probably love to bring in a veteran QB like Rosenfels to groom Henne until they feel he's ready to compete. I've read the report where Miami says Henne could possibly start as a rookie, but I have to believe that, if tempted by the Texans with the possibility of acquiring a quality veteran like Rosenfels, they'd jump at it. McCown surely isn't Miami's safest bet as a starter next season. I'm also assuming that The Tuna drafted Merling to eventually replace Jason Taylor, and since Taylor wants out now would be the time to make a move.

Thoughts?


NO....NO....AND HECK NO!! You'er trying to give up the ranch for an overthe hill 34 year old who will soon be a hasbeen.

[3andOUT]

I love trade ideas!!!!

Here's how they always go

We trade (insert crappy player) and (insert crappy player) and (insert expiring contract) for (insert perennial pro-bowler)

[Hwood82]

I've been extremely busy getting ready for our own season and haven't had much (if any) time to keep up with things going on around the league, but I have been thinking of a possible trade between us and Miami for some time now. I just want to post it to see what some of you guys think about it.

HOU gets

DE Jason Taylor

MIA gets

QB Sage Rosenfels
DT Travis Johnson
Conditional 2009 Draft Pick

My thinking is this: Miami drafted Chad Henne and lost Trent Green, so they'd probably love to bring in a veteran QB like Rosenfels to groom Henne until they feel he's ready to compete. I've read the report where Miami says Henne could possibly start as a rookie, but I have to believe that, if tempted by the Texans with the possibility of acquiring a quality veteran like Rosenfels, they'd jump at it. McCown surely isn't Miami's safest bet as a starter next season. I'm also assuming that The Tuna drafted Merling to eventually replace Jason Taylor, and since Taylor wants out now would be the time to make a move.

Thoughts?

Taylor wants to go somewhere that he believes is a "contender" for the Super Bowl not playoff hopefulls....besides, in your scenerio the Texans are giving up way too much for a (good) player that has at most 2 productive years left in him. Sage and TJ are very valuable to this team believe it or not. Its just my opinion but we'd be giving up too much to get not nearly enough in return.

[NCSFS42]

Travis Johnson is one of our most disruptive Defensive linemen believe it or not. I know a lot of you like to say he was a bust just because Cass and Capers drafted him, but everytime I watch him he is always plugging up holes lighting up runningbacks and providing qb pressure and best of all: Playing With Heart. I wouldn't trade Travis Johnson for Jason Taylor straight up just because I think taylor is on the cusp of his prime and he won't even be a starter in this league two years down the road.

[NJTexan]

KEEP SAGE. LIFELONG BACKUP, IT IS A GOOD THING. NOT A WASTED ROSTER SPOT. anywho, id rather had TJ than jason taylor, jason taylor is like 62 years old, and hes dancing now, so, i dont know what to tell you. And why does that dumbass want JOHN BECK?

[Hwood82]

KEEP SAGE. LIFELONG BACKUP, IT IS A GOOD THING. NOT A WASTED ROSTER SPOT. anywho, id rather had TJ than jason taylor, jason taylor is like 62 years old, and hes dancing now, so, i dont know what to tell you. And why does that dumbass want JOHN BECK?

Easy Killer, we're not back on tha block in Jersey...it's just an opinion...jeeeeeeez. :D

[edo783]

Good grief Mindenhall, have you been hanging out with Towlie or something, toking on the pipe? That trade makes no sense at all.

[larryj357]

Didn't Jason Taylor win the Defensive Player of the Year award last year? Didn't he have 11 sacks last year on a horrible Miami team?

Jason Taylor has missed a game only two seasons of his career for a total of 4 games missed. He hasn't missed a game since 1999 where he missed one game that season. He missed 3 in his rookie season. This guy is a double digit sack machine. Him on one side and Mario on the other would be better than what the Superbowl Giants had. Then with Okoye and TJ in the middle we would have a better front line than the superbowl champs. You see what their defense did for them huh.

If you are not willing to trade a "Back Up" QB for a EVERY down defensive All Star something is wrong. Either you really have no faith in Matt Schaub and the O Line or you think Sage is the next best thing to slice bread. Miami isn't going to take chips for this guy. No Matter his age. It's about production. If he has 2 years left on his contract and plays at his normal output. This is a no brainer you go and get this guy. Seriously, I question some peoples logic on this website. You would not trade Sage ***** Rosenthaul for Jason Taylor. The ***** reining Defensive player of the Year. Because your not sure if Matt Schaub will last. What if Mario gets hurt?

[Hwood82]

Didn't Jason Taylor win the Defensive Player of the Year award last year? Didn't he have 11 sacks last year on a horrible Miami team?

Jason Taylor has missed a game only two seasons of his career for a total of 4 games missed. He hasn't missed a game since 1999 where he missed one game that season. He missed 3 in his rookie season. This guy is a double digit sack machine. Him on one side and Mario on the other would be better than what the Superbowl Giants had. Then with Okoye and TJ in the middle we would have a better front line than the superbowl champs. You see what their defense did for them huh.

If you are not willing to trade a "Back Up" QB for a EVERY down defensive All Star something is wrong. Either you really have no faith in Matt Schaub and the O Line or you think Sage is the next best thing to slice bread. Miami isn't going to take chips for this guy. No Matter his age. It's about production. If he has 2 years left on his contract and plays at his normal output. This is a no brainer you go and get this guy. Seriously, I question some peoples logic on this website. You would not trade Sage ***** Rosenthaul for Jason Taylor. The ***** reining Defensive player of the Year. Because your not sure if Matt Schaub will last. What if Mario gets hurt?

I will admit that I think Jason Taylor and Mario would be awesome but for how long? 1-2yrs MAX! You simply cannot trade youth and potential for a win now player!

[NJTexan]

its so funny how people percieve NJ. I dont live in camden or newark. I live in a nice little town that costs too much every year in taxes. I recently went to school in ft myers florida where i traveled to texas and around the gulf coast. and texas is a lot dirtier than nj. and dont you fellas get tired of all the manure? oooo i forgot, you bag it up and sell it for fertilizer! ;) DONT MESS WITH NJ

[Hound]

I wouldn't trade five or seven years for 2 years... I would not trade Taylor for two years for TJ for five or seven on an even trade. Also QB is more important than DE... The only thing that gives DE's their value is that they attack the QB... So I would not trade Sage for Taylor on a even trade. Sage could be our starting QB this year... and Taylor is past his prime.

[TexSid]

If for some reason the Tuna goes brain dead and offered Taylor for Sage and Travis Johnson I would take it in a heartbeat. Sage has 2 years in his contract and is out. Travis is very replaceable and is a complete bonehead on the field worth at least one personal foul every other game. Taylor had 11 sacks last year playing for an absolutely horrible Miami team. Admittedly TJ is not a sack master (1 career sack) but I don't think he is all that great at the point of attack either. But it is just my opinion.....

[BIG ERN]

If for some reason the Tuna goes brain dead and offered Taylor for Sage and Travis Johnson I would take it in a heartbeat. Sage has 2 years in his contract and is out. Travis is very replaceable and is a complete bonehead on the field worth at least one personal foul every other game. Taylor had 11 sacks last year playing for an absolutely horrible Miami team. Admittedly TJ is not a sack master (1 career sack) but I don't think he is all that great at the point of attack either. But it is just my opinion.....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zlo4hdSzXQE

TJ is a hippie.

[ubecool454]

I've been extremely busy getting ready for our own season and haven't had much (if any) time to keep up with things going on around the league, but I have been thinking of a possible trade between us and Miami for some time now. I just want to post it to see what some of you guys think about it.

HOU gets

DE Jason Taylor

MIA gets

QB Sage Rosenfels
DT Travis Johnson
Conditional 2009 Draft Pick

My thinking is this: Miami drafted Chad Henne and lost Trent Green, so they'd probably love to bring in a veteran QB like Rosenfels to groom Henne until they feel he's ready to compete. I've read the report where Miami says Henne could possibly start as a rookie, but I have to believe that, if tempted by the Texans with the possibility of acquiring a quality veteran like Rosenfels, they'd jump at it. McCown surely isn't Miami's safest bet as a starter next season. I'm also assuming that The Tuna drafted Merling to eventually replace Jason Taylor, and since Taylor wants out now would be the time to make a move.

Thoughts?

You are kidding right? No way I want to give up Travis Johnson. I would go for Sage and a 7th rounder in 2009. I can't understand why you would want to part with Big Travis, I thought he brought the kind of attitude that the defense needs. You have to be feeling sorry for Trent Green...lol

[HydrOshocK]

how about we wait and sign Jason Taylor when the tuna cuts him (or when Taylor gets p!ssed and quits) after training camp.

+ 1

[steelbtexan]

Hound

What would a team have to give up to make you think trading Sage is a good idea?

I would offer MIA. a 3rd for Taylor.

[Matt_in_KW]

Sage is already trade bait. Just looking for the right fish to hook. But, Taylor for Sage I'd say ok. But, Sage and TJ for Taylor...no.

TJ could become a beast and Sage will be here till we get the right offer. But, make no mistake...we didn't bring in Gray for no reason.

[larryj357]

I will admit that I think Jason Taylor and Mario would be awesome but for how long? 1-2yrs MAX! You simply cannot trade youth and potential for a win now player!
What youth and potential??? What does potential win you? Travis Johnson is a season away from being a bust to be honest. We can replace him easily. Frank Okam might be starting by the end of the year for him anyway. Sage??? Seriously do we even have to go there??? A career back up for a reason. Not bashing him or TJ. The Texans is my team. How ever by the Texans being my team. I will try to make them better and not live with what we have and then bash management for not doing anything.

I see Jason Taylor playing at a high caliber at least 3 more years. So if he can get his 11 plus sacks a year and If Mario could do the same. That improves our ENTIRE defense. That gives the DB's and safties some breathing room. If Robinson comes back 100% and either Bennet or Molden steps up. We could have some really good young shut down corners. Then you look at Ryans in the Middle with Adibi and Bentley or Diles on the sides. Our defense will actually be very young with lots of potential. Defense wins championships. Getting Jason Taylor and Mario playing like last year will almost gaurntee us a playoff spot. Keeping Sage and TJ does what for us???? What if Matt stays healthy???

[larryj357]

+ 1
I am all for that. As long as we get him. With out giving up players will be the best option.

[willieg52]

No Way!!!

[Erik]

I've been extremely busy getting ready for our own season and haven't had much (if any) time to keep up with things going on around the league, but I have been thinking of a possible trade between us and Miami for some time now. I just want to post it to see what some of you guys think about it.

HOU gets

DE Jason Taylor

MIA gets

QB Sage Rosenfels
DT Travis Johnson
Conditional 2009 Draft Pick

My thinking is this: Miami drafted Chad Henne and lost Trent Green, so they'd probably love to bring in a veteran QB like Rosenfels to groom Henne until they feel he's ready to compete. I've read the report where Miami says Henne could possibly start as a rookie, but I have to believe that, if tempted by the Texans with the possibility of acquiring a quality veteran like Rosenfels, they'd jump at it. McCown surely isn't Miami's safest bet as a starter next season. I'm also assuming that The Tuna drafted Merling to eventually replace Jason Taylor, and since Taylor wants out now would be the time to make a move.

Thoughts?


Terrible idea, give up an up and coming defensive tackle for an over the hill playern. And you thought about this trade all by yourself?

[larryj357]

Terrible idea, give up an up and coming defensive tackle for an over the hill playern. And you thought about this trade all by yourself?
DT's like Travis Johnson is a dime a dozen. If he has a season 3 times better than his best. What would that net??? 3 sacks maybe??? If Jason Taylor has half the season he normally has it will be like 6 sacks. Right now that would be second all time on the franchise record books.

I would bet money that JT have more sacks than TJ this year alone than TJ have in the next 3 years. It's not all about sacks either. JT is a freaking baller. Keep on over valueing the talent and we will never make the playoffs. To get a good piece you have to give up something. Whether it's a draft pick or young potential. JT is the reining defensive player of the year. How good do you think Travis Johnson really will be? SERIOUSLY??? Mark my words.... Frank Okam will take his spot by the end of the year.

[Erik]

DT's like Travis Johnson is a dime a dozen. If he has a season 3 times better than his best. What would that net??? 3 sacks maybe??? If Jason Taylor has half the season he normally has it will be like 6 sacks. Right now that would be second all time on the franchise record books.

I would bet money that JT have more sacks than TJ this year alone than TJ have in the next 3 years. It's not all about sacks either. JT is a freaking baller. Keep on over valueing the talent and we will never make the playoffs. To get a good piece you have to give up something. Whether it's a draft pick or young potential. JT is the reining defensive player of the year. How good do you think Travis Johnson really will be? SERIOUSLY??? Mark my words.... Frank Okam will take his spot by the end of the year.

You're comparing apples to oranges, TJ is a tackle and Taylor a defensive end, TJ will probably never get 8 or 10 sacks. TJ is a dime a dozen....how do you figure that? Why don't the Texans just cut him and get another dime a dozen player for a lot less? Let me tell you why...because TJ could blossom into a very good player and the most that you can get from Jason is probably 1 or 2 good years.

[TheLBCoach]

You're comparing apples to oranges, TJ is a tackle and Taylor a defensive end, TJ will probably never get 8 or 10 sacks. TJ is a dime a dozen....how do you figure that? Why don't the Texans just cut him and get another dime a dozen player for a lot less? Let me tell you why...because TJ could blossom into a very good player and the most that you can get from Jason is probably 1 or 2 good years.

Jason Taylor is good for 9+ sacks in each of those 2 seasons you say he has left. The addition of Jason Taylor makes us a better team instantly. The addition of Jason Taylor will entice more quality players to sign with us in Free Agency in 2009. Yeah, Travis Johnson MIGHT have a breakout year this year, but then again, we all thought that Travis Johnson was going to have a breakout year LAST year.

Frank Okam. Granted, he may not be a starter right away but that kid is something special. If you compare him to Travis Johnson when TJ was coming out of college, it's no contest. Okam was a steal in the 5th Round, and I'm willing to bet that he fares well in his rookie season.

[Erik]

Jason Taylor is good for 9+ sacks in each of those 2 seasons you say he has left. The addition of Jason Taylor makes us a better team instantly. The addition of Jason Taylor will entice more quality players to sign with us in Free Agency in 2009. Yeah, Travis Johnson MIGHT have a breakout year this year, but then again, we all thought that Travis Johnson was going to have a breakout year LAST year.

Frank Okam. Granted, he may not be a starter right away but that kid is something special. If you compare him to Travis Johnson when TJ was coming out of college, it's no contest. Okam was a steal in the 5th Round, and I'm willing to bet that he fares well in his rookie season.

I don't have a doubt in my mind that the addition of Taylor would improve our team instantly, there's no doubt about it. The only thing that I'm saying is that I wouldn't trade TJ and whoever else he mentioned for Taylor. I'd rather have Taylor after get's cut.

[Erik]

No one is their right mind would give the Fins a first round choice for Taylor, the most that I'd personally give for him would be a 4th, then you'd have take into consideration Taylor salary, I don't know what that would do to the cap.

[robertcraft]

DT's like Travis Johnson is a dime a dozen. If he has a season 3 times better than his best. What would that net??? 3 sacks maybe??? If Jason Taylor has half the season he normally has it will be like 6 sacks. Right now that would be second all time on the franchise record books.

I would bet money that JT have more sacks than TJ this year alone than TJ have in the next 3 years. It's not all about sacks either. JT is a freaking baller. Keep on over valueing the talent and we will never make the playoffs. To get a good piece you have to give up something. Whether it's a draft pick or young potential. JT is the reining defensive player of the year. How good do you think Travis Johnson really will be? SERIOUSLY??? Mark my words.... Frank Okam will take his spot by the end of the year.

Travis Johnson's job is not to get sacks its to disrupt passing lanes and clog holes, he did a pretty good job of that.

[TheLBCoach]

No one is their right mind would give the Fins a first round choice for Taylor, the most that I'd personally give for him would be a 4th, then you'd have take into consideration Taylor salary, I don't know what that would do to the cap.

I would never give up a 1st Rounder for Jason Taylor. I don't know who's idea that was. I would give them Sage and TJ though. If that wasn't enough, I'd throw in a 2009 Conditional Draft Pick (conditioned on Taylor continuing to perform at a high level [9+ sacks in 2008]). I'd trade the so-called 'potential' in Travis Johnson for the proven commodity in Taylor anyday. Obviously, if the Dolphins cut him I'd be all for the signing of him instead of the trade.

[TexSid]

I wouldn't call TJ a bust but he is NOT the run stopper he could be. Cash money would buy you a vet about as good once the June 1 cuts hit. JT has 3 great years left and is very stout against the run (for a DE) and even on his downside he could teach Mario some things like ND Kalu has. I was freaking out when JAX was trying to trade for JT. Having said that JT would not come to Houston because we are not a playoff team. Also why would he be a June cut? He is their best player on D. Thomas was definately not in the mold of a Tuna linebacker (ask Dat Nguyen) they turned down a 3rd pic already for JT why would they cut him????

[TEXANBRONCO]

This team needs young hungry players who are diein to prove themselves.....versus the old players for big $.....Kubiak is still buildin....alot more talent to come next year, and the 1 after......we must look down that road.But what if we beat up jacksonville and indianapolis and destroy tennesse and win the division.....WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO hehe.... wouldnt that be sooooooo friggin cool......:D

[larryj357]

You're comparing apples to oranges, TJ is a tackle and Taylor a defensive end, TJ will probably never get 8 or 10 sacks. TJ is a dime a dozen....how do you figure that? Why don't the Texans just cut him and get another dime a dozen player for a lot less? Let me tell you why...because TJ could blossom into a very good player and the most that you can get from Jason is probably 1 or 2 good years.
TJ could become an All Pro Warren Sapp type player. So Could Frank Okam. TJ hasn't really done much to warrent a no trade policy by the team or the fans. I understand they play different positions and the numbers wont match up regardless. What I am saying is that the Jason Taylor will change the game plan of any offensive co-ordinator. Travis Johnson probably don't even make the scouting report. He is just a big body and isn't very disruptive up the middle. He also isn't just a big time run stuffer.

Let's use your logic and say we get 2 good years from Jason Taylor. That's at least 10 a year. So if the other team have to double team Mario and Jason Taylor. How does that affect the gap for Okoye? How does that affect it for say Frank Okam or someone else? We can draft another DT and/or DE in the next couple of years to replace Travis Johnson if Okam or someone else doesnt work out. If they do work out then we can draft a replacement for Jason Taylor. Seriously guys. This would make us a playoff team immediately if we stay pretty healthy.

[larryj357]

I don't have a doubt in my mind that the addition of Taylor would improve our team instantly, there's no doubt about it. The only thing that I'm saying is that I wouldn't trade TJ and whoever else he mentioned for Taylor. I'd rather have Taylor after get's cut.
See that's the whole point.... Who is to say that he will sign with us. Even if we offered more money. He may be willing to take less to play for say the Pats or Colts. You have to take any guess work out and go and get the players that will make your team better now. Trading away Sage and Travis isn't giving up the farm or even proven talent. Sage is who we thought he was.... A back up.

[larryj357]

Travis Johnson's job is not to get sacks its to disrupt passing lanes and clog holes, he did a pretty good job of that.
Are you serious??? For every play you can think of he did. I can think of a 15 yard personal foul he did to negate that. You guys got me bashing TJ like I don't like him. I really do. I just put the team needs and success over what I think of him as a player or person.

Frank is bigger and I would be willing to bet faster. I think he can do an equal job taking up space and clogging the lane.

[larryj357]

This team needs young hungry players who are diein to prove themselves.....versus the old players for big $.....Kubiak is still buildin....alot more talent to come next year, and the 1 after......we must look down that road.But what if we beat up jacksonville and indianapolis and destroy tennesse and win the division.....WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO hehe.... wouldnt that be sooooooo friggin cool......:D
You probably have the Texans favored to win every game. I didn't know casual fans posted so much here.

[Hwood82]

Jason Taylor is good for 9+ sacks in each of those 2 seasons you say he has left. The addition of Jason Taylor makes us a better team instantly. The addition of Jason Taylor will entice more quality players to sign with us in Free Agency in 2009. Yeah, Travis Johnson MIGHT have a breakout year this year, but then again, we all thought that Travis Johnson was going to have a breakout year LAST year.

Frank Okam. Granted, he may not be a starter right away but that kid is something special. If you compare him to Travis Johnson when TJ was coming out of college, it's no contest. Okam was a steal in the 5th Round, and I'm willing to bet that he fares well in his rookie season.

Ok #1, not trying to attack you but your logic is flawed, having Taylor does make us better - for as long as he can be productive, granted, I think he was one of the best in the game, with that said however, we simply cannot risk our future for a player that will be a) suffering a serious decline in performance, or b) retiring in a season or two!

And there are NOT going to be free agents trying to sign with us because of him...they know just like the rest of us that he won't be here long enough to see the rebuilding process through.

And the trade talk was Sage AND TJ for JT, that's a HELL NO, but I would do TJ and a 4th or fifth in 2009....Sage is too valueable to us as a backup.

[Hwood82]

TJ could become an All Pro Warren Sapp type player. So Could Frank Okam. TJ hasn't really done much to warrent a no trade policy by the team or the fans. I understand they play different positions and the numbers wont match up regardless. What I am saying is that the Jason Taylor will change the game plan of any offensive co-ordinator. Travis Johnson probably don't even make the scouting report. He is just a big body and isn't very disruptive up the middle. He also isn't just a big time run stuffer.

Let's use your logic and say we get 2 good years from Jason Taylor. That's at least 10 a year. So if the other team have to double team Mario and Jason Taylor. How does that affect the gap for Okoye? How does that affect it for say Frank Okam or someone else? We can draft another DT and/or DE in the next couple of years to replace Travis Johnson if Okam or someone else doesnt work out. If they do work out then we can draft a replacement for Jason Taylor. Seriously guys. This would make us a playoff team immediately if we stay pretty healthy.


Yes it would, and we would be in this exact position in two years, hypothetically having drafted a DE and/or a DT in '09....we wouild be sitting there in the '10 season asking who are we going to get to be a dominant rusher opposite Mario only having a 1 year player at the other end to replace Taylor/Weaver/Cochran.

[larryj357]

Ok #1, not trying to attack you but your logic is flawed, having Taylor does make us better - for as long as he can be productive, granted, I think he was one of the best in the game, with that said however, we simply cannot risk our future for a player that will be a) suffering a serious decline in performance, or b) retiring in a season or two!

And there are NOT going to be free agents trying to sign with us because of him...they know just like the rest of us that he won't be here long enough to see the rebuilding process through.

And the trade talk was Sage AND TJ for JT, that's a HELL NO, but I would do TJ and a 4th or fifth in 2009....Sage is too valueable to us as a backup.
So you think that TJ and Sage or our future??? So you think a Backup who will only be here 2 more years at the most is more important than a player that will produce almost every defensive play for at least the next 2 years??? Something just doesn't sound right about that to me. You make it seem as if Sage is freaking Steve Young in the on deck circle. If Shaub is hurt game 1 of the season for the season. We will not make the playoffs. A Sage led team will not make the playoffs. Simple as that. Trade Sage for what ever value he may have. We can get a good backup next year in the 4th round or something.

[larryj357]

Yes it would, and we would be in this exact position in two years, hypothetically having drafted a DE and/or a DT in '09....we wouild be sitting there in the '10 season asking who are we going to get to be a dominant rusher opposite Mario only having a 1 year player at the other end to replace Taylor/Weaver/Cochran.
Every year you improve your weakness. There will probably never be a year where we aren't trying to upgrade. So whether it's this year or two years. We will be upgrading somewhere. With the way TJ is playing we will be trying to upgrade his position in a year or two. So that logic doesn't really make sense to me either.

The object of the game is to put together the best team possible. A good gm will have a great mix of players. Different ranges of age and experience. You will have good players as backups so when the older players leave or retire you can just fill in the gaps. You don't draft all good young players and hope they all end up blossoming at the same time. In a perfect world that would be ok I guess. So in saying that. We improve today with Jason Taylor. We then have a young DE and a veteran. Then we find the heir apparent and groom him for the job. Look at what the Giants are doing. I HATE THE GIANTS!!!! I will give them their props on Defense though. Their DE's are set. They have Strahan and Osi. Then they go and get Kiwanuka and Justin Tuck to groom. Now that Strahan is retiring(maybe). They can just plug in Tuck and start Kiwanuka at stong side LB. That's just one example of having a good nucleas and grooming the next players.

[Hwood82]

So you think that TJ and Sage or our future??? So you think a Backup who will only be here 2 more years at the most is more important than a player that will produce almost every defensive play for at least the next 2 years??? Something just doesn't sound right about that to me. You make it seem as if Sage is freaking Steve Young in the on deck circle. If Shaub is hurt game 1 of the season for the season. We will not make the playoffs. A Sage led team will not make the playoffs. Simple as that. Trade Sage for what ever value he may have. We can get a good backup next year in the 4th round or something.

You keep putting words in my mouth..I simply stated that TJ is an above average run-stuffer and Sage is a prooven, sold backup....I am simply saying that I wouldn't trade BOTH of them for on, 2 yr maximum guy no matter who it is. You can't honestly tell me that you believe that a 4th rounder would be the same as having Sage if Matt was to get hurt again. C'mon...Sage is not Steve Young (if he were that good he'd be our starter) but he has experience in our system and can manage and win games in Matt's absence and that was proven last season.

[Matt_in_KW]

Sage is bait...I think Miami may go for Sage and a late rd pick for JT.

Sage+5th RD pick= Taylor? I like it, seeing Sage is on the cutting block. Not that anyone says it, but why would Kubes and CO say" Yea Sage is up for trade" when interviewed.

They wouldn't, they'd do what they are doing now(they did it for CARR!). The whole "He is an important part of the team" babble. If he is SOOOOOO important, why sign Gray seeing we have a 3rd QB...and now maybe a 4th.


Kubes loves Matt, and he is the starter. Gray ripped us apart for alot of yards and some TD's(bad memorey). So, Gary(a former QB) likes him, knows they will deal Sage and signs him.

So, lets make the offer:
Sage+5th RD pick= Taylor

Then, we keep TJ who I think can become a beast. And have Mario,Taylor at DE and Omobi and TJ at DT...starters. If a rookie or someone else emerges, great...if not get a DT or DE next draft. And milk the JT/Mario DE plan as long as we can.

Worst case, in 2010...we will need a DE 100%. But, maybe grab one next year in the 3rd and groom him behind JT...

[Texan Dave]

I'm sorry guys, I just don't know why everyone on here is so low on TJ. He's a nose guard, he isn't ever going to be a sack or tackling machine, he's basically their to be the blocker for Demico Ryans. If Demico makes the pro bowl, TJ has done his job, and done it well, who ever replaces him, they will not be a pass rusher or a tackling machine, they will be their just to plug a hole, and that's it. A nose guard has to be big, mean, nasty, and not care about stats AT ALL, they barely ever make a pro bowl, unless they're Casey Hampton. Watch film, on running plays, Johnson demands a double team, that frees Ryans up to make the tackle on the inside, I seriously doubt that we will see TJ going anywear, and I'm glad of that, and I guarontee you Demico Ryans is also.

[TheLBCoach]

I'm sorry guys, I just don't know why everyone on here is so low on TJ. He's a nose guard, he isn't ever going to be a sack or tackling machine, he's basically their to be the blocker for Demico Ryans. If Demico makes the pro bowl, TJ has done his job, and done it well, who ever replaces him, they will not be a pass rusher or a tackling machine, they will be their just to plug a hole, and that's it. A nose guard has to be big, mean, nasty, and not care about stats AT ALL, they barely ever make a pro bowl, unless they're Casey Hampton. Watch film, on running plays, Johnson demands a double team, that frees Ryans up to make the tackle on the inside, I seriously doubt that we will see TJ going anywear, and I'm glad of that, and I guarontee you Demico Ryans is also.

I'm all for having depth on the defensive line, and I think TJ and Frank Okam would make for a good combo at Nose. BUT, I like the idea of dangling TJ out on the trade market to see what kind of offers we receive for him.

[Texan Dave]

I'm all for having depth on the defensive line, and I think TJ and Frank Okam would make for a good combo at Nose.* BUT, I like the idea of dangling TJ out on the trade market to see what kind of offers we receive for him.It's nice to think about, and I think you would probably be suprised how much he would bring. I wouldn't look for it to hapen though, he plays his role well, he was definatly a reach as a first round pick. I believe the idiots that drafted him were looking at him as a 3-4 end and that didn't work out well at all, but he's a good NT for this system. Infact, with the way Parcells feels about Taylor, I bet he would give you Taylor for TJ and a low round draft pick in 09. I also don't think Parcells would take Sage at all, unless he was free, Sage doesn't have the arm that Parcells looks for, you're going to be a gun slinger to play for Parcells. Sage is good, but McCown has a stronger arm than Sage does, makes worse decisions at times, but he has a really strong arm.

[ObsiWan]

I still say wait and see if Taylor gets cut. Maybe we get him, maybe not. I think that somebody we can use at DE will be available when the salary cap cuts start.

I don't want to lose TJ because he, Okam, and Amobi will make an awesome rotation. Although Zgonina will need to be replaced soon. Maybe this year, maybe next.

I'd rather get more picks for Sage. ...maybe a 2nd or a 3rd & a 7th. More picks lead to long term improvement. Jason Taylor would be a news splash and maybe a year's worth of production.
....maybe