Alex Gibbs System

[ohcop72]

I understand Alex Gibbs has turned around a lot of lines, but seriously how long do you guys think before his coaching makes an impact on our team? I hope it is an immediate impact, but realistically it seems that our players might need a year or two under his hand before they turn the corner. I am excited about having a better line and better running game, just hope this will make an immediate impact, looking for opinions here.

[zanth91]

Immidiate.

[HomeBred_Texan]

I also think he will have an immediate impact on our linemen. I also see the Texans drafting some linemen in the first and/or second rounds next year just like they have done for the D/L. Then they will start picking up those high profile RB's and WR's and Safeties... But that is just my way of thnking... It just looks like they are building our team from the trenches first and happen to start with D instead of the O/L....

[Jwwillis1]

I understand Alex Gibbs has turned around a lot of lines, but seriously how long do you guys think before his coaching makes an impact on our team? I hope it is an immediate impact, but realistically it seems that our players might need a year or two under his hand before they turn the corner. I am excited about having a better line and better running game, just hope this will make an immediate impact, looking for opinions here.

It's not like they have to learn the ZBS from scratch. They have been running a form of Gibbs system since Kubs and Co. got here.
Also, they typically bring in players that already have expierence in the ZBS, such as our new C and new LT. NO WAY Gibbs was brought in to make a diffence in 2yrs...LOL

[zanth91]

It's not like they have to learn the ZBS from scratch. They have been running a form of Gibbs system since Kubs and Co. got here.
Also, they typically bring in players that already have expierence in the ZBS, such as our new C and new LT. NO WAY Gibbs was brought in to make a diffence in 2yrs...LOL

He may not even be here for 2 years...So it better be immediate! ;)

[Jwwillis1]

He may not even be here for 2 years...So it better be immediate! ;)

Gibbs is so old their is no guarantee he will even LIVE 2 more yrs.

[infantrycak]

I understand Alex Gibbs has turned around a lot of lines, but seriously how long do you guys think before his coaching makes an impact on our team?

He has made a dramatic impact in the first year both times he joined Denver (1984 and 1995) and when he joined Atlanta in 2004.

It's not like they have to learn the ZBS from scratch. They have been running a form of Gibbs system since Kubs and Co. got here.

They started zone blocking two years into Capers' tenure so they have four years of ZBS under their belts. No it hasn't been his full system, but they are tweaking not installing.

[TexansFight]

As been stated, they will mainly be tweaking the scheme...to become a more pure ZBS. But the most impact Gibbs will have imo is breaking each lineman down, then building them back up to be more technically advanced and more efficient in regards to the system. He has proven over and over again to get far more out of his lineman than what has been seen from them prior to his arrival along with them playing more together as a machine. It will be a tough camp for the Hogs, but the impact should definitely be immediate...and very noticeable.

[Zac Attack]

The biggest of the risks of getting Brown is that he must get incorporated into the ZBS. If Gibbs leaves before, Brown figures out exactly what he is supposed to be doing, then the draft might have gone to the pits!!!

Let's not forget that Brown was GIBBS man. It was his hand selected player of the players remaining after the 17th pick.

If Gibbs can't turn him into an effective ZBS LT, then the draft moves are going to hurt. And hurt for a long time.

Hence, the success of Brown will go hand in hand with Gibbs. Let's hope it works out well for the Texans. And from what is being said, Brown might be more ready to start than some of the guys that were drafted ahead of him. The sooner that Brown starts, the more contact he will have with Gibbs. But the downside to Brown starting is that if he isn't ready, then the Texan's QB's will take an unecessary amount of pounding.

[3andOUT]

The biggest of the risks of getting Brown is that he must get incorporated into the ZBS. If Gibbs leaves before, Brown figures out exactly what he is supposed to be doing, then the draft might have gone to the pits!!!

Let's not forget that Brown was GIBBS man. It was his hand selected player of the players remaining after the 17th pick.

If Gibbs can't turn him into an effective ZBS LT, then the draft moves are going to hurt. And hurt for a long time.

Hence, the success of Brown will go hand in hand with Gibbs. Let's hope it works out well for the Texans. And from what is being said, Brown might be more ready to start than some of the guys that were drafted ahead of him. The sooner that Brown starts, the more contact he will have with Gibbs. But the downside to Brown starting is that if he isn't ready, then the Texan's QB's will take an unecessary amount of pounding.

I disagree, Gibbs was brought in to make us a dominate RUNNING team. Brown really doesn't have anything holding him back from jumping right in and being a dominant run blocker. My point is that Brown is lacking in pass protection, and that's not really Gibbs' responsibility or specialty.

And even if our 1st round pick doesn't pan out (God forbid), that alone in no way means we had a bad draft

[infantrycak]

I disagree, Gibbs was brought in to make us a dominate RUNNING team. Brown really doesn't have anything holding him back from jumping right in and being a dominant run blocker. My point is that Brown is lacking in pass protection, and that's not really Gibbs' responsibility or specialty.

He isn't just the ZBS guru he is an overall OL guy and is involved in pass protection:

From 1995-2000, Gibbs’ offensive lines did not allow more than 35 sacks in a season. And during that span center Tom Nalen went to four consecutive Pro Bowls; and in 1998, three Broncos offensive linemen were nominated to the Pro Bowl for their role in winning their second consecutive Pro Bowl and blocking for NFL MVP Terrell Davis, who rushed for over 2,000 yards.

His NFL career began with the Denver Broncos in 1984 and he helped the team make two straight Super Bowl appearances in 1986 and 1987. He continued on to coach in Kansas City, where he helped the Chiefs drop their sack total substantially from 48 in 1992 to 19 in 1994.

[moses77550]

He isn't just the ZBS guru he is an overall OL guy and is involved in pass protection:

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So we are going to drop our sacks from 20 something to 2 this year. I love this Gibbs guy :)

[NCSFS42]

bringing in Gibbs was a great move, and it fills a vacancy that Mike Sherman left. Mike Sherman is an excellent coach, and is very demanding of his football team (I work for him currently at Texas A&M). However Gibbs has a whole lot of experience with offensive line and the zone blocking scheme. Hopefully he can take our talent put in the right place and make it work, either way I am excited to see if he can put our running game on top

[TransplantTexan1]

I would say you could measure the success of the OL in two ways relative to last year:

* Improvement in the running game, including yards per carry.

* A reduction not so much in total sacks allowed but by the overall amount of pressure allowed.

Remember, Schaub (and Sage for that matter) more so than Carr was willing to stand in the pocket and take a lick while delivering the football, which also helped to reduce sacks. We saw plenty of games where David would simply stop looking down field and prepare for a sack or something similar. Even with that change last year from Carr to Schaub/Rosenfels, there were games where the opponent was still able to get a good amount of pressure (if still fewer sacks) that ruined drives. If we can reduce that kind of pressure game in and game out, we should the results in the passing offense, including on third down conversions.

[Wolf123]

I would say you could measure the success of the OL in two ways relative to last year:

* Improvement in the running game, including yards per carry.

* A reduction not so much in total sacks allowed but by the overall amount of pressure allowed.

Remember, Schaub (and Sage for that matter) more so than Carr was willing to stand in the pocket and take a lick while delivering the football, which also helped to reduce sacks. We saw plenty of games where David would simply stop looking down field and prepare for a sack or something similar. Even with that change last year from Carr to Schaub/Rosenfels, there were games where the opponent was still able to get a good amount of pressure (if still fewer sacks) that ruined drives. If we can reduce that kind of pressure game in and game out, we should the results in the passing offense, including on third down conversions.

I agree!

[aj.]

An effective running game reduces sack numbers (the universal metric for pass protection) almost by rule.

[wildroot]

My point is that Brown is lacking in pass protection, and that's not really Gibbs' responsibility or specialty.

What?!?

Then who's responsibility is it?

[HydrOshocK]

Gibbs's impact on our team started when Gary Kubiak was hired. He brought the scheme with him from Denver, although it had to be scaled down for the type of players that were already here. We used less of it early last season because of Sherman, but as the season went on we saw the ZBS ramp back up. and our running production increased and our blocking improved.

Gibbs will now take it to the next level. Our guys are all familiar with the system (even Brown who played some ZBS in college) so there is little learning curve, now it's just a matter of perfecting their technique and ability to work fluidly as a unit.

[3andOUT]

He isn't just the ZBS guru he is an overall OL guy and is involved in pass protection:

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I understand that he's not going to completely neglect pass protectin as an OLC, but I did not know the stats on sacks.

Regardless, Brown has to show he can hold the edge against power and speed which he's never done.

[3andOUT]

What?!?

Then who's responsibility is it?

I don't know maybe John Benton, the offensive line coach. Gibbs is the assistant head coach as well as a line coach. I wasn't sure whether the guy realized that teams were allowed to pass in the NFL yet judging by everybody talking solely about his ZBS and never mentioning anything about his pass protection

[wildroot]

I don't know maybe John Benton, the offensive line coach. Gibbs is the assistant head coach as well as a line coach. I wasn't sure whether the guy realized that teams were allowed to pass in the NFL yet judging by everybody talking solely about his ZBS and never mentioning anything about his pass protection

Well, hopefully pass protection entered their minds...Keeping Matt on his feet and off the injury list I thought was a high priority going into the Draft.

[Towlie]

Maybe half way through the season...

[Erratic Assassin]

I'd hope the impact is immediate since we've been allegedly running the zone blocking scheme, albeit incorrectly, for several years now.

[Jwwillis1]

I would say you could measure the success of the OL in two ways relative to last year:

* Improvement in the running game, including yards per carry.

* A reduction not so much in total sacks allowed but by the overall amount of pressure allowed.

Remember, Schaub (and Sage for that matter) more so than Carr was willing to stand in the pocket and take a lick while delivering the football, which also helped to reduce sacks. We saw plenty of games where David would simply stop looking down field and prepare for a sack or something similar. Even with that change last year from Carr to Schaub/Rosenfels, there were games where the opponent was still able to get a good amount of pressure (if still fewer sacks) that ruined drives. If we can reduce that kind of pressure game in and game out, we should the results in the passing offense, including on third down conversions.

This move by Carr has been coined the "snap n crap" offense. Seriously though, we should see improvement THIS year.

[ojthecat]

This move by Carr has been coined the "snap n crap" offense. Seriously though, we should see improvement THIS year.

Around my house we refer to Carr as "Stop, Drop and Roll"

[Towlie]

What?!?

Then who's responsibility is it?

Its Matt Schaubs...

[Matt_in_KW]

Its Matt Schaubs...

He can't pass block and throw at the same time...can he:confused::eek:


That said, the sack number will go down. And the late hits(Fat Albert rings a bell) will stop. Anyone remember while Gibbs was in Denver what the OL did it Elways hair got messed up after a play? He made them nasty, and if he gets our guys 1/2 that nasty...we are going to be fine.

And the run game will show up by week 3 at worst...hopefuly week 1.

[bugman7star]

I found this link. Ignore the fact that it is a Clinton Portis/Denver Broncos highlight video. And the fact that it is on some crummy myspacetv profile page. Just pay attention to the O-Line. Is this what we are going to start seeing from our line???

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.channel&ChannelID=23940362

[Texan Dave]

^^ That's the ideah.