the o-line

[tificoach]

i am still worried that the o-line has to many weak spots, i am wondering if matt will have time to make the plays,i am certain that he will make something out of nothing though, i think he will find an open reciever to throw to rather than just try to outrun the defence. that was our main problem last year, carr seemed to panic in a rush defence and just run for the sidelines or hit the dirt.what are your thoughts on this..[*-)]

[Texan281]

Well let said we have the same o-line from last year without any improvement. According to the coaching staff when DC was behind the 06 O-line his average was 1 sack per 8 attemps vs RG and other QBs in NFL average 1 sack per 14 attemps. With M.Schaub at the QB alone is much improvement then DC. Any other improvement from the O-line are icing on the cake to me.

[Lifetime Oiler/Texan Fan]

From the beginning of the Houston Texans franchise, there have been five QB's that have taken a regular season snap....I imagine 80% to 85% of them being David Carr. The article (I can't remember where I read it) stated that Carr averaged 1 sack every 9 attempts and every other QB took 1 sack every 17 attempts. I know that you can't look at this stat as being 100% proof of any QB besides Carr will do okay behind the history of the Texan's line, but it sure as heck hints it. I believe Schaub will be a major overall upgrade at the QB position not because of his throwing ability or pure talent, but because of his better leadership and a better ability to throw the ball away to not take a sack. I will take 2nd and 10 over 2nd and 14 anyday.

[CloakNNNDagger]

Carr took a "mere" 249 sacks in 5 years........................The all time career sacked leader was another great QB by the name of Elway............516......................But he did it in 15 years...............and he made the Hall of Fame.
Carr was on the way to overtaking Elway in only 5 more years...................It's a shame Carr may have lost his ticket to the Hall..................On the brighter side, he can still buy his way in.............to visit. [:$]

[Jwwillis1]

i am still worried that the o-line has to many weak spots, i am wondering if matt will have time to make the plays,i am certain that he will make something out of nothing though, i think he will find an open reciever to throw to rather than just try to outrun the defence. that was our main problem last year, carr seemed to panic in a rush defence and just run for the sidelines or hit the dirt.what are your thoughts on this..[*-)]
I think you should take a stomach pill and a happy pill and lay back for a bit.

And pray our 3rd string QB is ready (sorry couldn't resist)

[Coach Jim]

i am still worried that the o-line has to many weak spots, i am wondering if matt will have time to make the plays,i am certain that he will make something out of nothing though, i think he will find an open reciever to throw to rather than just try to outrun the defence. that was our main problem last year, carr seemed to panic in a rush defence and just run for the sidelines or hit the dirt.what are your thoughts on this..[*-)]
IMO we're deeper this season as opposed to the previous 5 yrs. The true icing on the cake will be when we get CSpencer back, whenever that may be. MShaub is 10 Xs the decision maker Carr was & he won't stare down his primary reciever & throw into triple coverage either. What you get in MShaub will be his ability to have a look at every option running a route and to get rid of the ball quickly when nothing is there. I'm by no means saying that we're gonna go 13-3 this year but I'd be very shocked if we weren't knocking on the door of 10 wins by the end of the year.[8-|]

[caddy]

I'm shock that your wrote that. 10 win this season. Sure, and I'm hitting the Lottery.

[CloakNNNDagger]

I'm shock that your wrote that. 10 win this season. Sure, and I'm hitting the Lottery.
Dang, you're one lucky SOB![:D]

[Wolf123]

I think with the lines continued improvement and Matt Schaubs pocket pressence we won't even recogonize this years offense as compared to previous years.

[Coach Jim]

I'm shock that your wrote that. 10 win this season. Sure, and I'm hitting the Lottery.
"Knocking on the door" of 10 wins does not nessecarily MEAN we'll win 10 ... it means that we'll be in the 8 to 10 range. I'm "shock" that you didn't take that the correct way ... wait, no I'm not. When you go pick up that lottery check stop & get yourself a sense of humor.

[tificoach]

see what i mean mess with a texan bull and you get the horns,oh by the way when you pickup your check from the lottery commition,can i borrow enough money so i can buy texan season tickets...

[Wolf123]

I'm shock that your wrote that. 10 win this season. Sure, and I'm hitting the Lottery.
"Knocking on the door" of 10 wins does not nessecarily MEAN we'll win 10 ... it means that we'll be in the 8 to 10 range. I'm "shock" that you didn't take that the correct way ... wait, no I'm not. When you go pick up that lottery check stop & get yourself a sense of humor.

Thank You, thats what i've been trying to explain to some people the texans will not be winning 10-11 games this year. Its great to be optimistic and everything but were still not that good. Before you give us a win go and compare us to the team that were supposedly beating and see the difference in talent.

[autch14]

Does anyone think that maybe the o line just didn't trust carr therefore didn't really feel like blocking for him? I mean we had great protection every time sage got in there. He was able to stand straight and deliver the ball. I just think that they didn't like him and took some plays off.

[Texan281]

Does anyone think that maybe the o line just didn't trust carr therefore didn't really feel like blocking for him? I mean we had great protection every time sage got in there. He was able to stand straight and deliver the ball. I just think that they didn't like him and took some plays off.Well, it hard to block for the QC that can't get rid of the ball, and he make OLine look bad so many times. I can understand why our O-Line look great with Sage, cause Saged wanted can get rid of the ball for positive yards.

[aj]

For the uninitiated, the code behind the screen name is:
Carr is my daddy.

[HJam72]

aj is actually a greek acronym for Anti-Caddy. [:P]

[HydrOshocK]

caddy doesn't want to see the team succeed because he won't have anything to post. He's incapable of saying anything good about the Texans, only Carr.

[ObsiWan]

Does anyone think that maybe the o line just didn't trust carr therefore didn't really feel like blocking for him? I mean we had great protection every time sage got in there. He was able to stand straight and deliver the ball. I just think that they didn't like him and took some plays off.
Short answer? No.
And I can hardly believe that you're ignoring (or refusing to accept) the obvious and substituting a conspiracy theory.

[threetoedpete]

i am still worriedthat the o-line has to many weak spots, i am wondering if matt willhave time to make the plays,i am certain that he will make somethingout of nothing though, i think he will find an open reciever to throwto rather than just try to outrun the defence. that was our mainproblem last year, carr seemed to panic in a rush defence and just runfor the sidelines or hit the dirt.what are your thoughts onthis..[*-)]
IMO we're deeper thisseason as opposed to the previous 5 yrs. The true icing on the cakewill be when we get CSpencer back, whenever that may be. MShaub is 10Xs the decision maker Carr was & he won't stare down his primaryreciever & throw into triple coverage either. What you get inMShaub will be his ability to have a look at every option running aroute and to get rid of the ball quickly when nothing is there. I'm byno means saying that we're gonna go 13-3 this year but I'd be veryshocked if we weren't knocking on the door of 10 wins by the end of theyear.[8-|]


I respect the heck out of you Coach....and for the most part I agreewith you. The team is deeper in tallent than they have ever been alongthe o-line. I agree if we see Charles Spencer in pads late August,progressing and ready to rock and roll, ten wins is not out ofreach. Football outlaws has an interesting barameter on the offensiveline. Now I didn't take a stats course at U of Houston....but readingthe data tells me that we had a team last year protecting the twotackles as well as a shell shocked QB. Salaam because he isn't in thetop ten in OLTs and Erick Winston because he didn't have practicalexperence and was knocking off some rust. . If Spencer's back ,sets thedominoes to falling for sure. And they got a shot at the playoffs.Where I disagree with you is that having MS on the edge of the defenseis not the same thing as having DC on the edge of a defense. You canpretty much throw the waggle out of the arsonal with MS. Big differencein Joe Montana running the waggle out of the WCO and Steve Deburgrunning the waggle out of the WCO. There will be a difference with Mattrunning the play. I agree with you that his game managment skills will,should be an upgrade. But....he is a pocket QB who must have 3 seconds.That there thingy is a fact. And if they can't find that thissummer....the three second pocket holding, it dosen't take an Einstiento see that this thing of ours could go realy badly really quickly. Xthas promised us a six place jump in offensive line production in'07....we'll see. If they can't run the stretch or run offtackle with consitancy or form a pocket for three seconds...he better be a great leader.He's going to litterally earn it from the seat of his pants. Go from 21to 15 on the o-line inproduction in '07...it'd be a start.

thanks footballoutsiders. nice job.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php

[SuperstarII]

Does anyone think that maybe the o line just didn't trust carr therefore didn't really feel like blocking for him? I mean we had great protection every time sage got in there. He was able to stand straight and deliver the ball. I just think that they didn't like him and took some plays off.

I said the same thing at the old boards and everyone called me stupid or worse. I thought also was strange flanagan having a bruised ribs the last few weeks of the season. I can't remember which game it was he got the injury, but I never really noticed them taking a time out or what not to take a look at his injury. Then he was out for the season?! My thoughts were I think some offensive linemen didn't like Carr because how the media treated them badly and not DC. they just didn't block and didn't care anymore. You will see a different flanagan this season mark my words on that one.

[SuperstarII]

For the uninitiated, the code behind the screen name is:
Carr is my daddy.


LOL I still like my theory just take the C away and place a D in its place.

Carr's Daddy

[ObsiWan]

Where I disagree with you is that having MS on the edge of the defense is not the same thing as having DC on the edge of a defense. You can pretty much throw the waggle out of the arsonal with MS. Big difference in Joe Montana running the waggle out of the WCO and Steve Deburg running the waggle out of the WCO

(a) What's the waggle?

(b) Deberg was a statue in the pocket. Montana knew how to move around, roll out, side-step or do whatever to avoid the rush. Its called pocket presence. Schaub seems to have it.
Think back to Dan Marino or Joe Namath. Did they have "wheels"? Nope. But they had enough pocket presence to know when to move and make the rushers miss. That's what pocket presence is all about: knowing how to BUY yourself an extra second maybe two to make a play. And you have to do it while keeping your eyes downfield. From the limited video I've seen of Schaub, he has that skill. And there's your 3-4 seconds you say he'll need. From that standpoint alone, our sack total will drop.