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Se7en
09-04-2008, 11:41 AM
I am not getting it at all. People seem real quick to jump on the "I Hate X Player Bandwagon" in Houston.

What I have seen from Reeves is that he is a vast improvement over petey faggins and he actually seals up his end on the run with his explosive tackling that looks very similar to D-Rob. He has the speed to stick with every WR that he has been up against stride for stride. His ball sense does seemt o be a tad lacking at times, but he is certainly not deserving of the title Petey Reeves. (I know this is just my opinion.)

The one play that stood out in my mind was reeves running with one of the WR in the Dallas game. (It was the long bomb play that everyone said he got burnt on) As the ball is dropping in the WR pushed off of Reeves shoulder to gain space and no flag was thrown. 9 times out of 10 that play will be broken up simply because Reeves is standing in the way of the catch.

Feel free to hate on Reeves if you are that annoyed with his play, I just do not understand the comparisons to Petey.

Maybe E-Dub will come to town and take over Reeves spot and then we can have some depth with E-Dub, D-Rob, and Bennett.

headsplint
09-04-2008, 11:47 AM
I am not getting it at all. People seem real quick to jump on the "I Hate X Player Bandwagon" in Houston.

What I have seen from Reeves is that he is a vast improvement over petey faggins and he actually seals up his end on the run with his explosive tackling that looks very similar to D-Rob. He has the speed to stick with every WR that he has been up against stride for stride. His ball sense does seemt o be a tad lacking at times, but he is certainly not deserving of the title Petey Reeves. (I know this is just my opinion.)

The one play that stood out in my mind was reeves running with one of the WR in the Dallas game. (It was the long bomb play that everyone said he got burnt on) As the ball is dropping in the WR pushed off of Reeves shoulder to gain space and no flag was thrown. 9 times out of 10 that play will be broken up simply because Reeves is standing in the way of the catch.

Feel free to hate on Reeves if you are that annoyed with his play, I just do not understand the comparisons to Petey.

Maybe E-Dub will come to town and take over Reeves spot and then we can have some depth with E-Dub, D-Rob, and Bennett.


Man you are really jonesing for some football huh? :D

doodyps
09-04-2008, 11:51 AM
Well, from what I saw of him, he does typically keep up with the reciever, but I have yet to see him break up a single pass. So when you say his ball skills a "a bit lacking" I think thats an understatment. 4 years in the league, with alot of playing time, and 1 int should tell you what you need to know. I won't give up on him yet, because he was brought here to be coached. He wasnt supposed to be a finished product. He has speed. Tackling and ball skills can be taught. As unfair as it is too him, when reggie bush stiff arms you and gains an extra 8 yards or whatever, then jumps over you for a TD, it LOOKS bad. It also looks bad when you talk about how you love to play man coverage and be physical, and then TO practially runs you over on a quick slant. It also looks bad when you are right next to your reciever, and he catches the ball for 40 yards. And yes, it looks bad when you play 5 yards behind your reciever, and dont move at all while the ball is in the air, and instead wait for the catch to do anything. Also, when TO beats you to the endzone, it looks bad (although he was overthrown by ****).

When you say explosive tackling, it confuses me honestly.

Faggins was all over the place in the Tampa game against scrubs. He actually looked like Drob out there making plays in the back field and breaking up passes. That probably got him the nod over fletcher, who isnt terrible in coverage, but can't tackle. Still, faggins is my nickle back at best.

Number 34
09-04-2008, 12:12 PM
Don't hate Petey Reeves but they have yet to show me the money.

spurstexanstros
09-04-2008, 12:52 PM
" I like Petey Faggins!!"- Lee Evans WR-Buffalo Bills

false start on # 69
09-04-2008, 01:02 PM
Anyone is an improvement over Faggins. An injured Dunta is better than Petey.

greedimidi
09-04-2008, 01:03 PM
" I like Petey Faggins!!"- Lee Evans WR-Buffalo Bills

i know you are not blaming faggins alone for those two identical touchdowns by lee evans! if you are, then you dont understand the concept of cover 2. on both plays, the texans ran cover 2 which means the CB is responsible for the flat zone, and the safety is responsible for the deep zone. however, if there is no receiver running a route in the flat, the corner is supposed to run with the receiver till he is passed up to the safety. with that being said, dont just blame petey for those busted plays. you have to blame the safety some too.

Big Green
09-04-2008, 01:19 PM
I am not getting it at all. People seem real quick to jump on the "I Hate X Player Bandwagon" in Houston.

What I have seen from Reeves is that he is a vast improvement over petey faggins and he actually seals up his end on the run with his explosive tackling that looks very similar to D-Rob. He has the speed to stick with every WR that he has been up against stride for stride. His ball sense does seemt o be a tad lacking at times, but he is certainly not deserving of the title Petey Reeves. (I know this is just my opinion.)

The one play that stood out in my mind was reeves running with one of the WR in the Dallas game. (It was the long bomb play that everyone said he got burnt on) As the ball is dropping in the WR pushed off of Reeves shoulder to gain space and no flag was thrown. 9 times out of 10 that play will be broken up simply because Reeves is standing in the way of the catch.

Feel free to hate on Reeves if you are that annoyed with his play, I just do not understand the comparisons to Petey.

Maybe E-Dub will come to town and take over Reeves spot and then we can have some depth with E-Dub, D-Rob, and Bennett.

Wow!!! Did you not see the other games (preseason and regular season games w/Cowboys) that he played in??

Jacques was constantly beaten as a starting corner last year with the Cowboys which lead to him being released. The dude was picked on all pre-season long. He got "trucked" by a scat back (R. Bush) then later got jumped over for a score. He's a marked man.

I don't hate Jacques Reeves at all... I am just curious as to what made the Texans interested in acquiring him?

I personally think he is better suited for spot relief and special teams.

BIG ERN
09-04-2008, 01:27 PM
Anyone is an improvement over Faggins. An injured Dunta is better than Petey.

Did you watch the preseason?

BIG ERN
09-04-2008, 02:18 PM
He was a beast against Tampa.I hope he keeps up the good work.

Big Green
09-04-2008, 02:39 PM
Reeves has a lot of mobility and he can stick with receivers, he just gets lost when the ball is up in the air.

as for tackling, he got embarrassed by reggie, reggie basically slapped him in the face, I think he is a wimpy tackler, I think he is a decent CB, once he can locate the ball, he could be a threat for this defense in the pass.

As for the run...lets hope the team runs towards Bennett :D

Hey DuntaRobinsonFan76, The Troll!!!

Man, I just brought this up in my first thread and you killed me! That's just wrong man, just wrong!!

Can you go back and tell Big Ern that I do know a lil' sumthing sumthing about the Texans and their secondary??

Big Green
09-04-2008, 02:43 PM
i know you are not blaming faggins alone for those two identical touchdowns by lee evans! if you are, then you dont understand the concept of cover 2. on both plays, the texans ran cover 2 which means the CB is responsible for the flat zone, and the safety is responsible for the deep zone. however, if there is no receiver running a route in the flat, the corner is supposed to run with the receiver till he is passed up to the safety. with that being said, dont just blame petey for those busted plays. you have to blame the safety some too.

Greed... Petey got beat alot! It wasn't just that game that got him demoted.

spurstexanstros
09-04-2008, 02:52 PM
i know you are not blaming faggins alone for those two identical touchdowns by lee evans! if you are, then you dont understand the concept of cover 2. on both plays, the texans ran cover 2 which means the CB is responsible for the flat zone, and the safety is responsible for the deep zone. however, if there is no receiver running a route in the flat, the corner is supposed to run with the receiver till he is passed up to the safety. with that being said, dont just blame petey for those busted plays. you have to blame the safety some too.

Yes, I am

Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice shame on me..

Petey should have learned, its obvious that lohsman and evans learned. Also that was the third timw he got beat deep in that game. was it safety coverage then? Explain how teams seem to go looking for him and attack him every time he is on the field. Daunta is good but not that good. Teams will test him on occasion because he is guarding #1 reciever Faggins has the throw at me tag around the league.. Teams know who to throw at and more often than not, its petey. Teams chose to throw at him and not at the rookie Fred Bennett.

If you recall petey got burnt on the final play of that game as well. so yeah he needs to play better for us to have a chance. For now he is a liability. Hopefully reeves is not one.

Big Green
09-04-2008, 03:00 PM
actually a troll is just someone who comes on the message board for a short amount of time talking a bunch of smack and then leaves and only comes back sometimes. my boy d-robfan76 has been on here AWHILE, and it seems to me you are just trying to start smack with whoever you can, which would in turn make you more of a troll. we all tried to be civil at first, but come on.

Actually, I was just having fun with Big Ern and all of yall. I think you and
D-robfan76 know alot about football and the Texans, yall funny too!!

I did want to say this though, I took nothing personal and I hope nothing was taken personal.

I am a huge Texan fan, I just didn't know that some of my comments would be viewed as "smack".

I just voiced my opinion on what I felt was problematic with "our" team.

Truthfully, I laughed and learned today.

WE GOOD!!!

Big Green
09-04-2008, 03:07 PM
aight we good, just cool it sometimes, cause these guys wont hesitate to kick ya off the board. i used to be TexansTrueFan i was on for about 4 years had over 2000 posts and one day i guess i crossed the line and they erased my profile. its just alot of us have been on this board together for a long time and after a while, i guess ya could say we all become friends, so when ya hate on them alot of us will take it personal.


Thanxs for the info..... Straight Up!!!

Number 34
09-04-2008, 03:19 PM
Let's just hope we don't have to rename them Petey Eugene Reeves.

God, I can't wait til Dunta comes back.

Big Green
09-04-2008, 03:28 PM
Come on the rest of the Cowboys secondary can accept some of that blame as well. Cowboys may have a good team but their secondary blows and will again this year! If we dont put heat on the QB nor if our Safeties dont step up then Reeves will yet again be blamed for not covering and he will only be partly to blame.

I just didn't see anything that made me feel good about the J. Reeves being a starting corner.

He was always out of position vs the pass, he didn't play the run very well etc. It also bothers me that he has been in the league for 4 years and hasn't done much.

Also, there was not alot of interest in this guy when he got cut. There's a reason for that.

3andOUT
09-04-2008, 03:37 PM
I just didn't see anything that made me feel good about the J. Reeves being a starting corner.

He was always out of position vs the pass, he didn't play the run very well etc. It also bothers me that he has been in the league for 4 years and hasn't done much.

Also, there was not alot of interest in this guy when he got cut. There's a reason for that.

I have been extremely discouraged by the play of our #2 corners, not just Reeves. Reeves is the starter though, so more is expected of him and he deserves to take heat over it when he doesn't perform. He hasn't performed, he is in position sometimes, but never seems to be there to make a play on the ball. I'm not ready to say he can't play, but I am a little worried about it. I am however ready to say they overpayed for him.

I do not want Reeves to be like Petey and Phillip Buchanon in the way that they were always the first one to show up at the scene of a tackle

Se7en
09-04-2008, 03:39 PM
Man you are really jonesing for some football huh? :D

Totally! :)

I did not expect this thread to blow up though. :eek:

Number 34
09-04-2008, 03:40 PM
yeah we wouldnt even be having this discussion if he was healthy.

Hows the unit doing. i know its hard without me there to do all the work during the day :cool:

Haha..TDCJ employees/work...that's funny! Anyway there havn't been any escapes so I guess they are doing just fine. :)

Se7en
09-04-2008, 04:06 PM
He was always out of position vs the pass, he didn't play the run very well etc. It also bothers me that he has been in the league for 4 years and hasn't done much.

Reeves was not always out of position and he did a great job containing the run on his side against the cowboys. I can go rewind my Tivo and watch the games again, but I remember him getting a few really nice tackles that stuck with me.

In my opinion everyone was quick to label him a failure when he was doing a decent job. I do not expect him to be the second coming of D-Rob so maybe that is why I am not disappointed. I was expecting a servicable player that could fill in until Dunta returns and one that played better than Faggins.

We got that in Reeves. Faggins showed us all year that he is very streaky... it amazes me that people saw him play in a Tampa game against 3rd string players and feel he has got his act together now.

He did well, but I am not readyt o say that he has done anythingt o improve over the Petey 1.0 version we saw last season.

Number 34
09-04-2008, 04:14 PM
Reeves was not always out of position and he did a great job containing the run on his side against the cowboys. I can go rewind my Tivo and watch the games again, but I remember him getting a few really nice tackles that stuck with me.

In my opinion everyone was quick to label him a failure when he was doing a decent job. I do not expect him to be the second coming of D-Rob so maybe that is why I am not disappointed. I was expecting a servicable player that could fill in until Dunta returns and one that played better than Faggins.

We got that in Reeves. Faggins showed us all year that he is very streaky... it amazes me that people saw him play in a Tampa game against 3rd string players and feel he has got his act together now.

He did well, but I am not readyt o say that he has done anythingt o improve over the Petey 1.0 version we saw last season.

The only thing that amazed me about Reeves was that he was step for step with the recievers and never looked to see where the ball was. Okay he may need some more coaching after only being in the league for four years, rolls eyes, but I would bet that once they get him to actually look for the ball, he will be a slow as Faggins. JMO. Lets hope Eugene has skills.

Se7en
09-04-2008, 04:46 PM
The only thing that amazed me about Reeves was that he was step for step with the recievers and never looked to see where the ball was. Okay he may need some more coaching after only being in the league for four years, rolls eyes, but I would bet that once they get him to actually look for the ball, he will be a slow as Faggins. JMO. Lets hope Eugene has skills.

I get what you are saying and I do agree, I just think fans are being oddly harsh on Reeves when his speed is top notch and he just needs to tweak his ball skills.

I am waiting to see how E-Dub does as well and I am excited we picked him up.