All emcompassing Schaub Thread

[Dime]

Might as well get it started. Rofl.

[done88]

he sucks what ever happened between last year and this year he is done.

[J_Cherrey13]

He did bad today. I dont think we can replace him with sage yet though. He had a terrible game But we have to believe that he will come back. I know it's hard waiting for someone to step up. But lets look at the posative. We found our RB in Steve Slaton

[Dime]

He just looked HORRIBLE with a full week of rest. To me, he was the beginning of the problem that led to this loss today.

[Dime]

He did bad today. I dont think we can replace him with sage yet though. He had a terrible game But we have to believe that he will come back. I know it's hard waiting for someone to step up. But lets look at the posative. We found our RB in Steve Slaton


Week one was just as bad. Thats 2 in a row.

[J_Cherrey13]

Week one was just as bad. Thats 2 in a row.

Yes, but you can't replace somebody after 2 bad games in a row to start off a season. If that was true Carson Palmer would be sitting right now for cinci.

[Footballz]

Might as well get it started. Rofl.


Thank you. I offered to start it but then it's already here.

[ojthecat]

Maybe Matt should get some mittens. Or grow out his hair.

[SuperstarII]

Might as well get it started. Rofl.

I think around game time Schaub needs to seriously stay away from his wife. As Mick said it in Rocky, "Women weaken the knees."

[TexansGrrl]

I don't understand what happened. Andre couldn't catch a ball to save his life. Matt was throwing horribly, making poor decisions, looking like another #8 of whom I will not name. The bright spot was Slaton.

I won't ever throw in the towel, but OMG. Something needs to get fixed and get fixed immediately.

[Dime]

Yes, but you can't replace somebody after 2 bad games in a row to start off a season. If that was true Carson Palmer would be sitting right now for cinci.

Problem is, if he plays this way, it affects the team. Do we want this to continue to a point where the morale is so low, people dont care, therefore dont play. Or do we want to mix things up and try something else to help motivate the team and crew. I dont want to dump on Carr ... I mean Schaub, but he needs to sit a bit to regain his focus. The last two weeks have been extremely bad. Bad reads, bad throws, bad bad bad.

[Footballz]

I think around game time Schaub needs to seriously stay away from his wife. As Mick said it in Rocky, "Women weaken the knees."


And other things.

[gsus8091]

Schaub isn't Carson Palmer, he doesn't get a muligan after 2 bad games, Carson is a Pro-Bowl franchise QB, he gets muligans after bad games, Schaub doesn't.

Somthing needs to change with this situation and if losing every game to get Matt Stafford then thats what needs to be done. Because this guy just doesn't seem to have it. 3 INT's when your team isn't that bad will get you a loss faster then a blink of an eye. And 2 INTs when your still in the game gets you benched.

Sorry, but after a 3 INT game something has to be done. Especially with a week off and a whole week to study this Titan team. Terrible QB play today.

[Dime]

Schaub isn't Carson Palmer, he doesn't get a muligan after 2 bad games, Carson is a Pro-Bowl franchise QB, he gets muligans after bad games, Schaub doesn't.

Somthing needs to change with this situation and if losing every game to get Matt Stafford then thats what needs to be done. Because this guy just doesn't seem to have it. 3 INT's when your team isn't that bad will get you a loss faster then a blink of an eye. And 2 INTs when your still in the game gets you benched.

Sorry, but after a 3 INT game something has to be done. Especially with a week off and a whole week to study this Titan team. Terrible QB play today.


Let us not forget the fumbles too.

[gsus8091]

Let us not forget the fumbles too.

Oh, and I forgot about them because the INT's were so horrendous.

[Schaubie Love]

I hope Chase Daniels comes out in the draft.

I'll take Sage as starter until he's ready

[Footballz]

I hope Chase Daniels comes out in the draft.

I'll take Sage as starter until he's ready


I thought Shaub was the savior?

[SlatonBrigade]

Cut him...he is done. Looks just like Carr used too

[SouthSideTexan]

I say we just blame it on Ike. Maybe the Texans can file an insurance claim with FEMA. Maybe they could say their QB was swept away with the storm surge. Hmmmmm... I wonder what the deductible would be. It really wasn't that much of a loss. I'm starting to see a resemblance to Carr. Maybe Fat Albert was right, he seems scared. If things don't change soon, this is going to be an extremely long season. :mad:

[Texan_fan]

Naw. They'll stick with him for awhile and see if they can salvage him this season. But we need to start looking. Even if we take him out and make Sage the starter (which I'm not proposing ... yet), Sage is still just a band-aid. We need a change. This team can't survive with another bad quarterback. And if we can't win, we'll start losing what good players we have to trades.
Schaub just made horrible decisions today. Horrible. He can't throw on the run. He throws too high and short when he is expecting a hit. He looks like an injury waiting to happen every time he goes down. He has a good arm when he can stay in the pocket, but he is a bit of a glass jaw, I'm afraid.
If Schaub is still playing like this Week 6, I say that he is unsalvageable and he should be benched, start Sage and start looking for another QB in the draft that we can place behind Sage to learn the system. Which will be another two seasons down the drain. *SIGH!* I really hate to see that, but that is how it looks right now.
Call me fair-weather if you want to, but I bleed Battle Red and have stood behind this team since 2002.
But I can't drink the kool-aid after today. We have a lot of problems, and it looks like we didn't solve the QB problem just by replacing Carr in the No. 8 jersey. I hope to God that Schaub turns this around the next few games and proves me wrong.
But right now I don't expect it. Reality is a b****.


See this is the problem. Sage is the answer. But instead we are going to go look for somoene else. Put ourselves in a further financial hole. Start Sage. See how it goes. He did not do bad last season at all. This was the ghost of david carr playing today
and that is just bad. But see what we have FIRST before we throw more money at a problem and come away with nothing. I personally thought Sage was the answer to Carr.

[ojthecat]

McNair should retire the number 8. I would pay to go to the celebration.

[Dime]

Hey,

Could it be the training? I am starting to see a pattern here between Carr and Schaub. Could the QB coaching be it?

[SuperstarII]

McNair should retire the number 8. I would pay to go to the celebration.

I would pay 200 dollars to go see that ceremony!

[gmoneytexans08]

There is something going on here we can't blame David Carr for any losses this year...

The only thing I can say is the experience must be a factor....

[Texan Naija]

Schaub was horrible today but more than likely he will start next week. Personally I want to throttle him and young Shannahan for the bad plays.

Yes the Titans and Steelers are great defensive teams, but some of the plays they tried to make were crap. Slaton did great but constantly be forced to use him because Schaub couldn't throw or find a open receiver isn't a viable solution.


The Vikings won after they benched their QB after 2 games, is all I really want to say.

[DCtex]

He gambled many in 4 th quarter to turn over the match, it wasnt happened. He didnt got good match but he got really bad luck. He got 3 sacked, AJ was dropping TD passes etc. You have no faith in him n never was if u wanna bench him after 2 match.

[Clubroach]

Yes, but you can't replace somebody after 2 bad games in a row to start off a season. If that was true Carson Palmer would be sitting right now for cinci.

Vince Young ==> Kerry Collins?

[deofeo33]

i think it was everyone in the offensive side of the ball had a horrible game..its not all schaub..i saw johnson drop 2 passes that should have been TDs, the line is still shaky, and very horrible play calling..i dont know why they didnt stick with bootlegs and screens like the two they threw to daniels
they should have kept matt schaub moving out of the pocket

[Heints]

I feel Schaub has had plenty of chances to prove himself but has continuously failed to a certain degree... And this season he's just horrible.

Sage looked comfortable and confident inside the games he started last year. He's proven he can make big plays and win games. Now with a healthy AJ to throw to, it seems like Sage is the best option to win games right now.

Over past performances during the regular season, Matt is being outplayed by Sage. It's easy for me to say - Sage has earned the right to start - Matt has likewise lost his right. It's time to live up to the QB competition and let the better man have his chance. We really can't afford to fall to 0-3... Scary thought, ****.

[Texan_fan]

I feel Schaub has had plenty of chances to prove himself but has continuously failed to a certain degree... And this season he's just horrible.

Sage looked comfortable and confident inside the games he started last year. He's proven he can make big plays and win games. Now with a healthy AJ to throw to, it seems like Sage is the best option to win games right now.

Over past performances during the regular season, Matt is being outplayed by Sage. It's easy for me to say - Sage has earned the right to start - Matt has likewise lost his right. It's time to live up to the QB competition and let the better man have his chance. We really can't afford to fall to 0-3... Scary thought, ****.

Well here you have it. Kubes NEVER considered putting Sage in

i'm starting to not like him either. Recognize bad decisions and learn to over come them...loyality has no place in this situation

[SlatonBrigade]

It's time to cut Schaub and draft a real QB next year

[gforce365]

i just really think we wasted two 2nd round picks.

[houstonsportsfan09]

i just really think we wasted two 2nd round picks.

Jamal Anderson(DE), Justin Blalock(G), and Curtis Lofton(LB)?;)

[Soton_Texan]

Lets trade for Brady Quin

[TEXANBRONCO]

MATT let us all down 1 more time. he is actually makin HOUSTON TEXANS look bad. the best backup in the league, ahhhh (SAGE) couldnt have looked worse than MATT in the last 2 games. i lost count of interceptions in our 2 losses. Slaton.....our fine runnin back....couldnt even save MATT. MATT seems to self destruct in ALL his losses. SAGE at least fights to win, and even ACTS like he wants to win.....very sad day in SE TEXAS for me..:(

[houstonsportsfan09]

I think Matt Schaub hears you calling his name.

[Footballz]

Cut him...he is done. Looks just like Carr used too


What is it about the Texans and QB's?


Come here and your career dies.

[Sportswriter79]

What is it about the Texans and QB's?


Come here and your career dies.

Good QBs usually have a RB or two and an offensive line. Maybe that's part of it?

[Footballz]

Good QBs usually have a RB or two and an offensive line. Maybe that's part of it?


Of course. And more than one offensive weapon.

[txnsfan92]

Yeah I'm upset but I was also very excited throughout the whole game knowing we were on the verge of coming back and winning. Of course we had a crappy first half but the second got better and we were holding the Tacks. We just have to find a way to start the first half with the second half tempo and keep it rolling. I think we can all bring the good out of this game by letting Steve Slaton start, continue to grow, and be the back we have been looking for. I not all about canning Schaub but I believe he has to prove himself in practice and if he can't we need to bring in Sage. With a young team comes TIME to build and work out the kinks especially with a new offense AND defense scheme. What did y'all expect these guys to do......before you start calling for heads, run down to Reliant Stadium and tell Coach Kubiak to give you a shot at starting on either side of the ball (whichever you think we could do better at), get your a-- kicked all over the practice field and then come back here and say all you want. Be LOYAL regardless of how you feel and how pissed you are and how much better you THINK you can do. Remember what it was like without a team? Enough said!

[houstonsportsfan09]

Yeah I'm upset but I was also very excited throughout the whole game knowing we were on the verge of coming back and winning. Of course we had a crappy first half but the second got better and we were holding the Tacks. We just have to find a way to start the first half with the second half tempo and keep it rolling. I think we can all bring the good out of this game by letting Steve Slaton start, continue to grow, and be the back we have been looking for. I not all about canning Schaub but I believe he has to prove himself in practice and if he can't we need to bring in Sage. With a young team comes TIME to build and work out the kinks especially with a new offense AND defense scheme. What did y'all expect these guys to do......before you start calling for heads, run down to Reliant Stadium and tell Coach Kubiak to give you a shot at starting on either side of the ball (whichever you think we could do better at), get your a-- kicked all over the practice field and then come back here and say all you want. Be LOYAL regardless of how you feel and how pissed you are and how much better you THINK you can do. Remember what it was like without a team? Enough said!

Exactly! Thank You

[done88]

Of course. And more than one offensive weapon.

good qbs don't get shaken when the pressure is on. His passes were wild he fumbled the ball in the red zone. He is scared good qbs don't get scared. He is shaken. Every good QB has struggles but after the dallas 1st stringers and trhe first 2 games he is just bad. If he was making good decisions and everyone was dropping good passes it would be different. However his passes were not close and he was missing wide open players. They do not have time to nurse Schaub. They need to move on.

[Footballz]

[QUOTE=txnsfan92;145757]Yeah I'm upset but I was also very excited throughout the whole game knowing we were on the verge of coming back and winning. O/QUOTE]


:eek::eek:

You really believe that?

I watched the game too.

[done88]

Yeah I'm upset but I was also very excited throughout the whole game knowing we were on the verge of coming back and winning. Of course we had a crappy first half but the second got better and we were holding the Tacks. We just have to find a way to start the first half with the second half tempo and keep it rolling. I think we can all bring the good out of this game by letting Steve Slaton start, continue to grow, and be the back we have been looking for. I not all about canning Schaub but I believe he has to prove himself in practice and if he can't we need to bring in Sage. With a young team comes TIME to build and work out the kinks especially with a new offense AND defense scheme. What did y'all expect these guys to do......before you start calling for heads, run down to Reliant Stadium and tell Coach Kubiak to give you a shot at starting on either side of the ball (whichever you think we could do better at), get your a-- kicked all over the practice field and then come back here and say all you want. Be LOYAL regardless of how you feel and how pissed you are and how much better you THINK you can do. Remember what it was like without a team? Enough said!


Anyone could go down there and do what Schaub did today. The good news is we don't have to be that bad Sage is on the team.

[Footballz]

good qbs don't get shaken when the pressure is on. His passes were wild he fumbled the ball in the red zone. He is scared good qbs don't get scared. He is shaken. Every good QB has struggles but after the dallas 1st stringers and trhe first 2 games he is just bad. If he was making good decisions and everyone was dropping good passes it would be different. However his passes were not close and he was missing wide open players. They do not have time to nurse Schaub. They need to move on.


How many QB's do the Texans have to turn over before they get a winning season?

[txnsfan92]

Anyone could go down there and do what Schaub did today. The good news is we don't have to be that bad Sage is on the team.

You need to put the pipe away my friend if you think you can do what the PROFESSIONALS do. You wouldn't even get the ball in your hands before fumbling it because of big Hanesworth coming straight at you. YOU have no idea what it takes or how it feels to be hit by anyone in the NFL. You can look at it on TV and say "Ahhh, that didn't look that bad" but you have no idea. I don't either but I do know that every player regardless of starter or second string comes away from each game with hell-asish bruises that need tending to because THEY give it their all on the field. Just to have some guy like you say that anybody can do what Schaub did today. Like I said, go tell it to Schaub on the practice field and take his spot just for a set of downs, then come back here and say you can do it but until then do not put me in that "anyone can do it" category because I know as good of a football player I used to be.....I CAN'T do what they do.

[DiehardTXNSfan]

when it comes to a Starter KUBIAK is so Loyal, WHY does'nt he change Schaub to ROSENFELS????? and have him compete with SAGE?????

[houstonsportsfan09]

when it comes to a Starter KUBIAK is so Loyal, WHY does'nt he change Schaub to ROSENFELS????? and have him compete with SAGE?????

"There is no QB competition. Matt is our starter"

Sincerely,

Gary Kubiak
;)


That in the words of Lovie Smith. And just come to thinking, why not flip a coin to decide?:o

[txnsfan92]

[QUOTE=txnsfan92;145757]Yeah I'm upset but I was also very excited throughout the whole game knowing we were on the verge of coming back and winning. O/QUOTE]


:eek::eek:

You really believe that?

I watched the game too.

I just had that feeling that we were only 2 TDs down and we could pull it off. Gave me a w--dy at times.....

[Sportswriter79]

when it comes to a Starter KUBIAK is so Loyal, WHY does'nt he change Schaub to ROSENFELS????? and have him compete with SAGE?????

Schaub's contract is too big.

[houstonsportsfan09]

Dont tell him that. We cut another former #8 who had a similar contract

[TexasToro]

You need to put the pipe away my friend if you think you can do what the PROFESSIONALS do. You wouldn't even get the ball in your hands before fumbling it because of big Hanesworth coming straight at you. YOU have no idea what it takes or how it feels to be hit by anyone in the NFL. You can look at it on TV and say "Ahhh, that didn't look that bad" but you have no idea. I don't either but I do know that every player regardless of starter or second string comes away from each game with hell-asish bruises that need tending to because THEY give it their all on the field. Just to have some guy like you say that anybody can do what Schaub did today. Like I said, go tell it to Schaub on the practice field and take his spot just for a set of downs, then come back here and say you can do it but until then do not put me in that "anyone can do it" category because I know as good of a football player I used to be.....I CAN'T do what they do.


TXNSFAN92, I get the point that you are saying, but you have to understand that this is the Texans' 7th year, and the majority of the people that take the time to post on this board are loyal fans. After a while, the fanbase has a right to be impatient. It's not about going to Schaub on the practice field and taking his spot for a set of downs, its about wanting to see your team progress. You have to understand that we are fans of a professional football team, no one on this board said that they are professional football players, but what I think that many of these posters are saying is that "any professional quarterback" can play like Matt Schaub has been playing. I will admit, I don't see that the organization has improved at the QB position after releasing David Carr. Also please consider that the organization traded two 2nd round draft picks for Schaub. Teams build through the draft, and 2nd round picks are very valuable. I also can understand some fans wanting to see Sage Rosenfels get a legitimate shot to start, he has proven that he at least deserves an opportunity. He out-performed Schaub last year, but was not allowed to compete for the position due to financial commitments. All of us want to see the team improve, but we express our opinions differently.

[Houston_Fanatic]

I say it is time to consider benching Schaub and putting Sage in. Schaub has looked horrible since the Dallas game - poor decisions, bad throws - he looks lost out there. The confidence he had early on last season is gone. It is affecting the whole team and dragging them down. We are a better team than we have shown the past two games and I blame Schaub.

I don't know what happened to him but if he doesn't get his mojo back and get it back soon he is finished. At least we have a good QB waiting in the wings to take over.

[Headhunter]

I don't see how all the blame can go on Schaub. There were lots of drops in the first couple of series that I'm sure hurt his confidence. If Johnson would have caught those 2 td's ......would we be having this conversation?.......I would have to say probably not.

[bnvs32]

I think they need to bench schaub. I keep on hearing ppl say give him a chance its only two games. Do you ppl forget which QB won more games for the Texans last year. Sage was the reason they got to .500 last year. Enough is enough 5 picks and one TD. How much worse do you need. Hes like Carr but with less sacks. I say GO SAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Number 34]

What about all the dropped passes including AJs? We gonna bench our recievers too?

[281lxm]

And other things.

don't forget.....Mickey said "ya gonna drink lightning' and crap thunder" :D

[Sportswriter79]

Dont tell him that. We cut another former #8 who had a similar contract

But Gary wasn't responsible for bringing that QB in.

[Vincesanity1.0]

He gambled many in 4 th quarter to turn over the match, it wasnt happened. He didnt got good match but he got really bad luck. He got 3 sacked, AJ was dropping TD passes etc. You have no faith in him n never was if u wanna bench him after 2 match.

HuH???

[Number 34]

HuH???

He is saying don't bench Schuab after only two games, I think. :rolleyes:

[HJam72]

I blame the O-Line. :D

PS-Nice thread, Dime.

[SouthSideTexan]

Lets trade for Brady Quin

Why go out and get a back up QB from CLE to replace our back up QB we got from ATL? The Texans need to really evaluate their "situation" and start making some good personnel decisions or risk loosing fans and being a laughing stock. Maybe there was a reason Schaub was a back up for 3 years......:confused:

[z_keeper]

Collins and White was the reason the Traitors did so well. Too bad vy didn't play. Oh well.

Collins and White did manage to put a couple of points on the board, but the real reason Schaub and his receivers were ineffective is spelled D-E-F-E-N-S-E.

The O Line could not protect the QB. Once the team fell behind and time became a factor, the running game (which was reasonably successful) could no longer be utilized.

There simply was no answer for the likes of Haynesworth, Vanden Bosch, Kearse, Finnigan, Harper, etc. and the depth that the defense had thereby keeping everyone fresh.

[Texan Naija]

I will give the Titans D for several of the plays made on Sunday, but the decision making of Schaub in a few of his interceptions, the near fumble and the bad throws made are mainly on him.

The O line wasn't always stable but it doesn't excuse Schaub from doing what he is being paid for and that is make plays.

[z_keeper]

I will give the Titans D for several of the plays made on Sunday, but the decision making of Schaub in a few of his interceptions, the near fumble and the bad throws made are mainly on him.

The O line wasn't always stable but it doesn't excuse Schaub from doing what he is being paid for and that is make plays.

Peyton gets paid more than Schaub and even the great Manning looks like a scared rabbit when he is constantly hurried and pummeled and his receivers are all covered.

[musicman8251]

I hope Chase Daniels comes out in the draft.

I'll take Sage as starter until he's ready

wow, this all coming from the guy who calls himself "schaubie".

... bandwagoners.

[TexanJM]

I can't stand it anymore. All of you out there that want to point the finger at Matt Schaub and say he's the Texan's problem need to consider a few things.

Maybe, just maybe, if Schaub wasn't so worried about getting hammered and actually had time to see who was open he could do better. The offensive line has sucked these past two games and every one wants to point the finger at Schaub. Aside from Slaton gaining some good yardage on a couple of carries last Sunday the running game has sucked, too. Moreover, Slaton's performance on Sunday was in a large part due to his own skill and determination and not because he was graced with wonderful running lanes and solid blocking. So, let's think here for a second, the running game pretty much sucks as does the passing game. Perhaps the running game and the passing game have something in common? Bingo! You got it! Its the same sorry offensive line.

I've been listening to these self proclaimed experts on the radio saying the Texans should have used the shot gun and gotten Schaub back deeper in the pocket. Did those yahoos even watch the game? Consistently, when Schaub took a seven step drop the defensive ends would run circles around the tackles and force him to step up in the pocket. He was then forced to either dump the ball off to a RB or scramble out of the pocket to his left or right which of course eliminates half of the field and half of his options. The only time Schaub had a glimmer of hope was with short drops and quick releases. Why? Because the offensive line sucks.

I saw this sweep to the left we tried to run with Duane Brown trying to lead the play. Brown was so slow and so far out of position he tried to dive at his man in this pathetic attempt at a block. He looked so bad I was embarrassed for him. He should have been benched right there and let some assistant coach chew on *** for the rest of the game. I know he's only a rookie and maybe he has some potential, but he has looked totally out classed in these first two games.

And everyone wants lay all or most of the the blame for these defeats at Schaub's feet. On behalf of Matt Schaub I want to tell all you never played a down in your lives, beer bellied, wannabe, half-wits who are calling for his head to just go piss off. I'm beginning to wonder if half the fans in this city are blind and can't see what's really happening or are simply developmentally delayed.

[HJam72]

Hmmm.

Well, I do most of my reading and posting on the other board, but I don't see most of them blaming most of it on Schaub. I think most of us just think Schaub is PART of the problem right now. I would like to see what Rosenfels could do, but I sure don't blame it all on him.

Speaking of the O-line, what I see is a weak center going against a couple of huge 3-4 NTs. This O-line isn't built to deal with that problem very well. I'm not a big fan of the ZBS, or more specifically the intentional use of smaller, quicker O-linemen. In fact, I still don't see why the ZBS calls for smaller O-linemen, but I don't like that. We need guys who don't get shoved back by 3-4 D-linemen when we do see them, because that type of D is not going away. Thought I saw a weakness at RG too, but that could be the center making him look bad.

We have the same problem on D. We now have a fast, small D-line made to get after Peyton Manning. The problem is that our DTs are small and relatively quick. When they face large, power rushing O-lines like Pitts and Tenn., they are too small and ineffective, especially against the run game. TJ is out of position is my main gripe here. He should be competing with Okoye for the WSDT spot, not starting on the strong side. An argument could be made that drafting Okoye was a stupid decision, unless he just turns out to be a super-stud while TJ turns out to be a total bust, which is possible. Okam MIGHT be the answer on that strong side. Let's hope so, because I am tired of seeing first round picks spent on DTs.

Schaub? Well, with all this losing the LOS battle right in the middle of the lines, he is screwing up by trying to force things--trying to throw the ball right through Steelers, throwing up unanswered prayers against the Titans, and throwing up off-balance, off target stuff when under pressure. He is not showing that he can "make" plays, but he does have some excuses.

[SuperstarII]

I can't stand it anymore. All of you out there that want to point the finger at Matt Schaub and say he's the Texan's problem need to consider a few things.

Maybe, just maybe, if Schaub wasn't so worried about getting hammered and actually had time to see who was open he could do better. The offensive line has sucked these past two games and every one wants to point the finger at Schaub. Aside from Slaton gaining some good yardage on a couple of carries last Sunday the running game has sucked, too. Moreover, Slaton's performance on Sunday was in a large part due to his own skill and determination and not because he was graced with wonderful running lanes and solid blocking. So, let's think here for a second, the running game pretty much sucks as does the passing game. Perhaps the running game and the passing game have something in common? Bingo! You got it! Its the same sorry offensive line.

I've been listening to these self proclaimed experts on the radio saying the Texans should have used the shot gun and gotten Schaub back deeper in the pocket. Did those yahoos even watch the game? Consistently, when Schaub took a seven step drop the defensive ends would run circles around the tackles and force him to step up in the pocket. He was then forced to either dump the ball off to a RB or scramble out of the pocket to his left or right which of course eliminates half of the field and half of his options. The only time Schaub had a glimmer of hope was with short drops and quick releases. Why? Because the offensive line sucks.

I saw this sweep to the left we tried to run with Duane Brown trying to lead the play. Brown was so slow and so far out of position he tried to dive at his man in this pathetic attempt at a block. He looked so bad I was embarrassed for him. He should have been benched right there and let some assistant coach chew on *** for the rest of the game. I know he's only a rookie and maybe he has some potential, but he has looked totally out classed in these first two games.

And everyone wants lay all or most of the the blame for these defeats at Schaub's feet. On behalf of Matt Schaub I want to tell all you never played a down in your lives, beer bellied, wannabe, half-wits who are calling for his head to just go piss off. I'm beginning to wonder if half the fans in this city are blind and can't see what's really happening or are simply developmentally delayed.




I don't blame Schaub. I just blame the number he is wearing. I swear that david carr jinxed the number 8 for this team.

[Se7en]

Well, I do most of my reading and posting on the other board, but I don't see most of them blaming most of it on Schaub. I think most of us just think Schaub is PART of the problem right now. I would like to see what Rosenfels could do, but I sure don't blame it all on him.

Pleanty of people here are only willing to place the blame on Schaub. Hence this post being made. I gave up on trying to convince people because I have decided that 85% of the people posting here do not even care about the team. We have trolls from other teams posting mroe than actual fans. We have the mods banning long time posters. The list goes on.

This board is not just bad because of the negativity now and it is frustrating to have people, that had a wealth of knowledge and the determination to set the misinformed in their place, leave the boards to post elsewhere.

I also agree that this is not all Schaubs fault and the O-line is not giving the same protection that they gave last season. Schaub could sit in the pocket, go through his checks down field, find a receiver and throw the ball. Now, he makes his first 1 or two checks and then has to scramble which messes up the timing of the passes.

As the O-line improves we will magically see Schaub improve, unless he gets shell shocked like Carr did. Of course if the O-line does not shore up its protection soon, then all the people crying about Schaub being horrible will feel that they were right all along and continue to blame him for his horrible on field decisions.

[HuttoKarl]

Schaub was obviously gunshy on the first few plays of the game. It seems to be a recurring theme....panic a little, then settle down. I think it's all part of a young QB transitioning still from backup to starter.

He will get over it. He will calm down. He will lead us to a win vs. the Jags this weekend.

Ashes to ashes
Dust to dust
Like the back of my dollar sez
"In Schaub We Trust"

[howsit]

It never is "one players" fault. Its a team thing

[Texan_fan]

It never is "one players" fault. Its a team thing

I completely agree but also want to add on those complaining on the o-line. Rosenfelds doesn't seem to have the issue. Schaub seems to have a glass jaw.

[TheRedfishCo]

I'll give Schaub one more shot to show something. If Derek Anderson coming off that probowl year can be benched/or rumored to be for Brady Quinn and Mark Bulger is now benched for Trent Green then Schaub should be on the hot seat as well. Schaub is no where near as good as those 2 guys.

[HuttoKarl]

I'll give Schaub one more shot to show something. If Derek Anderson coming off that probowl year can be benched/or rumored to be for Brady Quinn and Mark Bulger is now benched for Trent Green then Schaub should be on the hot seat as well. Schaub is no where near as good as those 2 guys.

1. Quinn's not going to help Braylon catch those dropped TD passes. He also won't block for Jamal Lewis.

2. Bulger getting benched is a very unpopular move in the STL locker room.

[CTEXANFAN]

Sage is a number 2 QB and has been for a while. He can come in and do a good job but he is a Farve type QB meaning he will make some huge plays but will throw alot on int's. Shaub on the other hand was given a job and a lot of money over a game of golf and a brew. The Texans should have never put their eggs in that basket just like Ahman Green. He was not a proven QB to name as our starter. That being said Shaub is and was no more than a number 2 QB only withless NFL experience than Sage.

[ccfan]

..I've been mad all week but had not time to post. Shaub is at the very least the biggest problem on the team. While I see signs all around the rest of the team that things are changing for the better, he continues to panic, and make crappy decisions with or without pressure, which yielded 3 picks and fumbles in yet another game. Remember he had 3 picks the first game, at least he's consistent at that. The front line does need to improve, but like Carr, he is just not a "smart, think on his feet QB". Hes now 4 & 9 since coming aboard compared to his backup who is 4 & 1. 17 for 37 last Sunday, I'll even give him the drop by Johnson who dropped a couple that I thought he should not have. Special teams get a B and the defense woke up in the second half until the turnovers multiplied thanks to our friend here. I'm losing faith in Kubiak because he has not replaced him yet. I don't know what else he needs to see to make a change. It just seems to me like another story of a coach who feels he has to hang on because he is responsible for his choice, in this case, Matt Schaub. Ive been a Houston football team ultra fan for 30 years now since before the "Luv ya Blue Days". I want to find the reasons to be positive but I don't see Matt Schaub giving us a chance to compete this year. Jacksonville is yet another gritty tough team that usually has beaten up our string of qb's that has 'special college days' but suck in the pro's. I don't consider myself a real 'stat guy' who knows every player in the league or even on my team so I'll be gald to read thoughts on this. Tell me why I should not think this way...

[bobizzle]

Sage is a number 2 QB and has been for a while. He can come in and do a good job but he is a Farve type QB meaning he will make some huge plays but will throw alot on int's. Shaub on the other hand was given a job and a lot of money over a game of golf and a brew. The Texans should have never put their eggs in that basket just like Ahman Green. He was not a proven QB to name as our starter. That being said Shaub is and was no more than a number 2 QB only withless NFL experience than Sage.

...is everyone forgetting something? Schaub was 6th last year in QB rating. He kicks ***. Qbs have some bad games every now and then. Geez, EVEN FREAKIN ESPN has Schaub rated as the 13th best QB in the league so how can you say he isnt a worthy starter?:rolleyes:

[BIG ERN]

I think Sage is at the top of his game right now.But how long will that last?

[Aztequila]

...is everyone forgetting something? Schaub was 6th last year in QB rating. He kicks ***. Qbs have some bad games every now and then. Geez, EVEN FREAKIN ESPN has Schaub rated as the 13th best QB in the league so how can you say he isnt a worthy starter?:rolleyes:

After watching those games, would you honestly say that Schaub is is the 13th best QB? I am not trying to say he is garbage, but I am saying he needs to start earning his status. The last game reminded me a lot of the previous QB. I was a big Carr supporter, but I am not going to make the same mistake twice.

[Griz]

As soon as the local media gets enough of Schaub, the team will be forced to make changes. They did it with Carr and with Ledge.

[HuttoKarl]

After watching those games, would you honestly say that Schaub is is the 13th best QB? I am not trying to say he is garbage, but I am saying he needs to start earning his status. The last game reminded me a lot of the previous QB. I was a big Carr supporter, but I am not going to make the same mistake twice.

How have other QB's looked against Pittsburgh and Tennessee so far?

VS TEN

M. Schaub - 188 yds 0 TD 3 INT 3 Sacks
Garrard - 215 yds. 1 TD 2 INT 7 Sacks
Carson Palmer - 134 yds 0 TD 2 INT 1 Sack

Both QB's were pro-bowlers if I'm not mistaken.


VS PIT

M. Schaub - 202 yds 1TD (1 rushing) 3 INT 5 Sacks
D. Anderson - 166yds 2 TD 2 INT 2 Sacks
McNabb - 196 yds 1 TD 1 INT 3 Sacks

Hmm...weren't they Pro-Bowlers as well?


The lesson learned from this trip in the Wayback Machine, Sherman? These are defenses that make the best QB's look pedestrian. To call for Schaub's head after two games against two teams that nobody has looked good against is STUPID. Cool your jets people.

[WaldovonPutz]

How have other QB's looked against Pittsburgh and Tennessee so far?

VS TEN

M. Schaub - 188 yds 0 TD 3 INT 3 Sacks
Garrard - 215 yds. 1 TD 2 INT 7 Sacks
Carson Palmer - 134 yds 0 TD 2 INT 1 Sack

Both QB's were pro-bowlers if I'm not mistaken.


VS PIT

M. Schaub - 202 yds 1TD (1 rushing) 3 INT 5 Sacks
D. Anderson - 166yds 2 TD 2 INT 2 Sacks
McNabb - 196 yds 1 TD 1 INT 3 Sacks

Hmm...weren't they Pro-Bowlers as well?




I haven't bothered to even read this thread till now. Your stats kinda put it all in perspective. Thanks for posting.

[HuttoKarl]

I haven't bothered to even read this thread till now. Your stats kinda put it all in perspective. Thanks for posting.

Anytime I can try to be the voice of reason, I'll do what I can.

If it means anything to anyone...Jacksonville has been decent defensively against the pass and the run...not overwhelming like some would like to think. Reggie Nelson being out is going to only help our cause too.

I look for a bounceback from Matt this weekend and some silence or crow-eating from his critics.

[TEXANSWILDBILL]

How have other QB's looked against Pittsburgh and Tennessee so far?

VS TEN

M. Schaub - 188 yds 0 TD 3 INT 3 Sacks
Garrard - 215 yds. 1 TD 2 INT 7 Sacks
Carson Palmer - 134 yds 0 TD 2 INT 1 Sack

Both QB's were pro-bowlers if I'm not mistaken.


VS PIT

M. Schaub - 202 yds 1TD (1 rushing) 3 INT 5 Sacks
D. Anderson - 166yds 2 TD 2 INT 2 Sacks
McNabb - 196 yds 1 TD 1 INT 3 Sacks

Hmm...weren't they Pro-Bowlers as well?


The lesson learned from this trip in the Wayback Machine, Sherman? These are defenses that make the best QB's look pedestrian. To call for Schaub's head after two games against two teams that nobody has looked good against is STUPID. Cool your jets people.

This has been the most intelligent Pro/Con Schaub post yet. After looking at these stats I have calmed down a lot more and am excited to see what happens on Sunday.

[HuttoKarl]

This has been the most intelligent Pro/Con Schaub post yet. After looking at these stats I have calmed down a lot more and am excited to see what happens on Sunday.

I didn't quite know what to expect when I started looking up stats...only knew that the PIT/PHI game was a slobberknocker. I was shocked at the QB's that went up against these two teams and how good they were last year...McNabb was pretty hot this year as well. It shows that we got a brutal early schedule and that our QB played about as well as any other vs. these two defenses.

It also gives me hope that we'll do well this weekend.

[khlonghorn]

How have other QB's looked against Pittsburgh and Tennessee so far?

VS TEN

M. Schaub - 188 yds 0 TD 3 INT 3 Sacks
Garrard - 215 yds. 1 TD 2 INT 7 Sacks
Carson Palmer - 134 yds 0 TD 2 INT 1 Sack

Both QB's were pro-bowlers if I'm not mistaken.


VS PIT

M. Schaub - 202 yds 1TD (1 rushing) 3 INT 5 Sacks
D. Anderson - 166yds 2 TD 2 INT 2 Sacks
McNabb - 196 yds 1 TD 1 INT 3 Sacks

Hmm...weren't they Pro-Bowlers as well?


The lesson learned from this trip in the Wayback Machine, Sherman? These are defenses that make the best QB's look pedestrian. To call for Schaub's head after two games against two teams that nobody has looked good against is STUPID. Cool your jets people.

Well put. The fact of the matter is, the offense has not hit its gear yet. Once they get things clicking and their timing back down, our offense will begin to incline. Most especially with Slaton proving he can be an everydown back and the ability to break off the big run. teams will have to begin respecting the run game which oh by the way, is still learning the zone blocking scheme. Even the pass blocking scheme hinges on the new zone blocking system so once they get that ironed out and with game experience in the new system, it can only get better.

[duval_wall904]

you guys should have kept Quinn Gray

[TagiAlliance]

I don't mean to hate on Matt, but if we want to talk about statistics, let's consider how Matt has faired as the Texans' starting quarterback since the beginning of last year.

In his last 11 regular season games he's started since the beginning of last year, Schaub has thrown 7 tds and 13 ints, has given up 22 sacks, and lost 4 fumbles, with 2 wins and 9 losses. He's averaging approximately 200 yards passing per game, and his career passer rating is a much-less-than-mediocre 76.6. True, the first two defenses the Texans faced were tough. No question about it. But, other than his first two starts, Schaub has been plain awful since he got here.

I honestly hope Matt has a great game on Sunday and the Texans beat the Jags, but regardless Schaub hasn't done anything so far to warrant raising anyone's expectations that he's going to be a long-term solution for the Texans. Not only that, but his overall demeanor on the field doesn't inspire much confidence. Everytime he gets hit, he rolls around on the ground like one of those soccer players looking for a foul in the World Cup. I'm not saying dude's not in pain, but I've never seen an NFL quarterback do that before.

[Sportswriter79]

No kidding. You said it man.

[CPTTexan]

Matt Schaub...a WHOPPING 1 TD and 5 INTs in 2 games??? I saw this coming a MILE away unlike most of you here who bought into the hype? I mean first you ruin David Carr's career and now you're doing the same exact thing to Schaub's career. How many QB's career can u guys ruin??? I mean...give the poor guy a break. Your GM needs to understand that a successful offensive line = a successful offense. I dont know how hard it is to understand. Dont even get me started on how Reggie Bush is TEARING UP the league. 3 TDs and averaging about 150 offensive yards per game? NASTY...I bet you wish you had him.

AND HOW BOUT DEM BILLS !!!!!! HUH??? Make fun of em? We're doin JUST FINE. Marshawn Lynch...BEASTMODE WHAT !!!

What exactly is your point here? That it takes you a week to state obvious facts about Schaub's numbers? Kinda slow aren't you. Oh and Reggie Bush has a whole 3 TD's? Through 3 games? That's ballin'. I wish Reggie Bush wasn't the only (running) back who they used the (?) total yards stat on. He's not an impressive running back, that's why they can't just use rushing yards as his statistic. Darren Sproles as a backup is a helluva lot more impressive and talented as a player. How many TD's does he have? More than Reggie. Please quit spewing your drivel on here and go the Saint's board or Bills board. What exactly is your reason for being here? To start useless threads I would presume.

[Sportswriter79]

What exactly is your point here? That it takes you a week to state obvious facts about Schaub's numbers? Kinda slow aren't you. Oh and Reggie Bush has a whole 3 TD's? Through 3 games? That's ballin'. I wish Reggie Bush wasn't the only (running) back who they used the (?) total yards stat on. He's not an impressive running back, that's why they can't just use rushing yards as his statistic. Darren Sproles as a backup is a helluva lot more impressive and talented as a player. How many TD's does he have? More than Reggie. Please quit spewing your drivel on here and go the Saint's board or Bills board. What exactly is your reason for being here? To start useless threads I would presume.

Given the RB crew that our coaching staff intentionally bet on this year (Green, Taylor, Slaton), I'm not one to downplay Reggie Bush's accomplishments.

[CPTTexan]

Given the RB crew that our coaching staff intentionally bet on this year (Green, Taylor, Slaton), I'm not one to downplay Reggie Bush's accomplishments.

Is there anything in my post about our RB crew? I'm just stating a fact (like Schaubs numbers by the OP) that everyone talks about Bush's numbers as a total yards statistic, whereas Ladanian Tomlinson has 112 yards rushing 54 yards receiving and 14 yards passing (just a hypothetical but fairly realistic sometimes). They don't say LT had 180 total yards. Why is that?

[D-DRAMATIC-1]

We know about Schaub, Obama - we know.

Before everyone else, you knew.
Before everyone else, you warned us.
Before everyone else, you had it right and we had it all wrong.

We know Obama - we know. :)

[Cybercop]

This post goes to all who mocked me in my earlier thread. I WARNED YOU !!!
And again....your point is what?? Who cares...shuffle off back to Buffalo if you want...I'm sure you can enjoy their stellar Superbowl record, right?

[Cybercop]

And how many super bowls have the Texans been to? Strike that. And how many AFC Championship games have the Texans been to??? Strike that again...And how many AFC Wild Card games have the Texans been to???
Again what's your point and purpose here then?? To tell the obvious about the O-line? Dude, good for you....even a blind squirrel can a nut every now and then. Don't be too proud of your Bills....4x Superbowl chokes is not something to brag about. DOOH

[Schaubie Love]

That was a PERFECT drive!

Schuab has his confidence back and looks like he did pre-injuries last season!

[TagiAlliance]

I've been critical of Schaub's play in the past, so I ought to own up to this much -- I thought he had a great game today. He looked confident and in control, he scrambled, he made plays with his feet.... Very impressive.

[3andOUT]

I've been critical of Schaub's play in the past, so I ought to own up to this much -- I thought he had a great game today. He looked confident and in control, he scrambled, he made plays with his feet.... Very impressive.

He looked much more settled and poised today. There were a few times he was pressured, but he got rid of the ball. There were a few times jax had us locked up downfield and he ran the ball. Good decision making, he needed that.

[Numert]

He did great today.

[taylor90]

this game was a statement."im the starter this is my team" is what his play said.