DId any body hear Giff Nielsen on 610am?

[Battle-Red]

He said that Ty Detmer had called him within a day or so of the Schaub trade and was going on and on about Schaub and that Houston had essentially robbed Fort Knox. Also sauid sometime after the trade he was talking with a bunch of fellow BYU QB alumns Steve Young, Ty Detmer, Jim McMahon, Robbie Bosco, and others and they all thought it was a good move and was suprised that the Texans were the ones who stepped up and pulled the trigger. Schaub ended up taking Detmer's job as the #2 during the 04(rookie season) and kept it during Detmer's last year in 05.

[WildTexan55]

I did not hear the report on 610 - but if all of those QB's like the Shaub move and think it was a steal then I am comforted in knowing that. I like and trust Steve Young's opinion of players so that is great to hear.
My question is why a bunch of BYU QB's are concerned with what a QB from Virginia is doing? Again, I didn't hear the interview so I don't have a reference point to make the connection...

[gonzotx]

Its funny how no one comes out in the media and really says the Texans did a good job with this trade.

[dalemurphy]

Its funny how no one comes out in the media and really says the Texans did a good job with this trade.

Pat Kirwin and some of the NFL radio guys thought it was a good deal for the Texans. Kirwin actually nailed what the compensation would be for Schaub a month before the trade. He argued that most GMs would have him rated as the 3rd QB available, behind Russell and Quinn. Assuming both those guys were rated in the top 10, he argued it would take compensation close to the 20th pick of the 1st round to get the deal done. Which, by the way, is almost exactly what we gave Atlanta.

[Wolf123]

Everyone who has actual knowledge of Schuab has said what a great pickup he's been.

[Battle-Red]

It was a 30 minute phone interveiw about golf mostly and they spent maybe 15 minutes talking about the Rockets, Astros, Texans, and Dynamo. And I assume the BYU guys are tight and they were talking about it due to it being a substantial trade and Giff being part of the sports landscape here. Besides that he said A. Green looks to be in excellent shape and have 3-4 good years in him. And he liked the Okoye and Jones draft picks and expects good things in general of the team.

[HydrOshocK]

Everyone who has actual knowledge of Schuab has said what a great pickup he's been.
Can you believe Len Pasquarelli actually said (NFL Live yesterday) that he didn't think Matt Schaub had as much talent as David Carr?
What has this nut been smoking??
As for the Giff Nielson interview, I didn't hear it but like others I value Steve Young's opinion for sure. He knows what it takes to be a successful QB in the WCO.

[dalemurphy]

Everyone who has actual knowledge of Schuab has said what a great pickup he's been.
Can you believe Len Pasquarelli actually said (NFL Live yesterday) that he didn't think Matt Schaub had as much talent as David Carr?
What has this nut been smoking??
As for the Giff Nielson interview, I didn't hear it but like others I value Steve Young's opinion for sure. He knows what it takes to be a successful QB in the WCO.


"talent" is the key word. Believe me, I'm not defending Pasquarelli but, depending on how you define it, one could argue Carr is more talented. All I can say is that Schaub is likely to be the better NFL Qb of the two. Or, put it this way, if you measure Carr as more talented than Schaub, he's definitely more talented than Tom Brady, Marc Bulger, Drew Brees. But, who cares!

[aj]

There's physical talent and there's 'mental' talent. Carr is more athletic than Schaub. Does that make him a better QB? No.
Obviously you want to maximize the combination of physical and mental components. There's also pesonality/character traits that determine who makes better leaders than others. That's another (old) debate.
Ryan Leaf was one the most talented (physically gifted) prospects ever when he came up (moreso than Peyton), but it was something else that kept him from being successful in the NFL - and passed over by Polian.

[Battle-Red]

I heard Polian telling the story on NFL network before how they were measuring out pretty even on paper(Leaf a slight edge physically and Manning a slight edge mentally). Whe he finally got a chance to visit with them individually in person he asked them how they'd feel being the number 1 pick and what were their plans etc. Peyton wanted to know when he could meet and talk with the coaches, staff, and team. When he could get a copy of the playbook.Essentially all Ryan said/wanted to know is when he would get his check he and his "buddies" were going to Vegas.

[ObsiWan]

Peyton wanted to know when he could meet and talk with the coaches, staff, and team. When he could get a copy of the playbook.Essentially all Ryan said/wanted to know is when he would get his check he and his "buddies" were going to Vegas.
I heard that. I seem to recall the commentator saying, "...in hindsight, that should have sent up a red flag..."

[WildTexan55]

When it comes to character I doubt anyone in the NFL would give Carr a low rating. Leaf is an entirely different quality individual and is not even close to Carr muchless Schaub. Carr did/does posess class and is a principled person. Having said that, being principled does not constitue or equate to a top tier caliber quarterback in the NFL.
In all respects I don't think that Schaub will ever have the mental pressure on him that Carr did while here in Houston. Actually cutting Carr may give him an opportunity to revitalize his career. Think of the same feeling that we'd have if Carr was the QB under the center heading into the 2008 season. I'm sure he would feel the same way.
Shaub is our guy now and I just want to see him play better than what we've seen from the QB position. I actually think that the pressure is more on Rick Smith than anyone else.
Moving Carr out of Houston was good for everyone - I just hope that it's better for us.

[tsip]

Can someone please explain the words 'character' and 'class act' as positives for Carr? I keep remembering a couple things that he said after he got his $8 million last year--
"...didn't feel like playing the last 2 1/2 years for the Texans..."
"...hated to go to 'work' on Sundays..."

[Leebo]

Can someone please explain the words 'character' and 'class act' as positives for Carr? I keep remembering a couple things that he said after he got his $8 million last year--
"...didn't feel like playing the last 2 1/2 years for the Texans..."
"...hated to go to 'work' on Sundays..."

He didn't enjoy being here the past few years, but...
Did he skip practices?
Did he refuse to play on sundays?
Did he complain to the media?
Did he demand a trade?
Did he ever hold out?
Did he talk bad about his teammates?
I'd say he has a high character. As a matter of fact has he even really said anything negative about the Texans since he's been gone? Sure he's talked about how football wasn't fun for him, but it's not like he said football wasn't fun for him because the Texans are idiots, Dunta can't cover, Andre can't catch, etc.

[BACCARAT BRUSHES]

He said that Ty Detmer had called him within a day or so of the Schaub trade and was going on and on about Schaub and that Houston had essentially robbed Fort Knox. Also sauid sometime after the trade he was talking with a bunch of fellow BYU QB alumns Steve Young, Ty Detmer, Jim McMahon, Robbie Bosco, and others and they all thought it was a good move and was suprised that the Texans were the ones who stepped up and pulled the trigger. Schaub ended up taking Detmer's job as the #2 during the 04(rookie season) and kept it during Detmer's last year in 05.
Well then of course Detmer would sing Schaub's praises since Schaub beat him out of a back-up job.
As far as this group talking about Schaub - I doubt it.

[1337texansfan]

He saidthat Ty Detmer had called him within a day or so of the Schaubtrade and was going on and on about Schaub and that Houston hadessentially robbed Fort Knox. Also sauid sometime after the trade hewas talking with a bunch of fellow BYU QB alumns Steve Young, TyDetmer, Jim McMahon, Robbie Bosco, and others and they all thoughtit was a good move and was suprised that the Texans were the ones whostepped up and pulled the trigger. Schaub ended up taking Detmer's job as the #2 during the 04(rookie season) and kept it during Detmer's last year in 05.
Well then of course Detmer would sing Schaub's praises since Schaub beat him out of a back-up job.
As far as this group talking about Schaub - I doubt it.


why do you doubt it? just because your boy isnt here anymore,that means a group of ex-QB's cant talk about a good up andcoming QB? just because you dont think much of schuabdoesnt mean the rest of the players and fans dont think he is a goodprospect. i think you should relocate to the Carolina messageboard so you can support your man crush. when a rookie take aspot from a vet that is known as a reliable backup isnt a bad thing. itshows how quickly schaub picked up the playbook,and how much hisability to play the game impressed the coaches there to award him the#2 spot as a rookie. schaub was rated as the best QB prospectavailable on the market. so it is not suprising that a few ex-nflQB's would know who he is and would be talking about him.

[tsip]

Can someone please explain the words 'character' and 'class act' as positives for Carr? I keep remembering a couple things that he said after he got his $8 million last year--
"...didn't feel like playing the last 2 1/2 years for the Texans..."
"...hated to go to 'work' on Sundays..."

He didn't enjoy being here the past few years, but...
Did he skip practices?
Did he refuse to play on sundays?
Did he complain to the media?
Did he demand a trade?
Did he ever hold out?
Did he talk bad about his teammates?
I'd say he has a high character. As a matter of fact has he even really said anything negative about the Texans since he's been gone? Sure he's talked about how football wasn't fun for him, but it's not like he said football wasn't fun for him because the Texans are idiots, Dunta can't cover, Andre can't catch, etc.

Ok, he was here 5 yrs and didn't feel like playing for half those years but took his full pay ($40+ nillion) for so-so effort.
What reason would he have to hold out?...what other team would have given him 5yrs...and pay him $8 million for what?
What other team would have not hung on to him and try to get something for him?
Skip practice and not play on Sunday would have cost him money...
McNair did a lot for Carr--guess I missed the talk where Carr thanked Bob for all he'd done for him...and all the stuff David did for his fans, especially the kids...those clinics were a nice touch, oh-Carr didn't do that...
JMO, but I don't associate 'high character' with a 'me' person. But you still didn't say what Carr did to be held in high esteem...

[Battle-Red]

Like I said it's what Giff said he didnt get too in depth about it. He said and named those BYU QB's and more. I'm not saying they got together to break down Schaub. It sounded like they were already together doing something(like maybe playing golf since thats what the majority of the interveiw was about?) and it came up about what they thought, and the general consensus was they were suprised that the Texans were the ones who got him and it was a good move, I mean he is a local news guy. I have no reason to doubt what Giff said, he didn't quote anybody. It was a general comment when asked about Schaub, the only other thing he said was the usual line on Schaubs leadership qualities and etc.

[Leebo]

Can someone please explain the words 'character' and 'class act' as positives for Carr? I keep remembering a couple things that he said after he got his $8 million last year--
"...didn't feel like playing the last 2 1/2 years for the Texans..."
"...hated to go to 'work' on Sundays..."

He didn't enjoy being here the past few years, but...
Did he skip practices?
Did he refuse to play on sundays?
Did he complain to the media?
Did he demand a trade?
Did he ever hold out?
Did he talk bad about his teammates?
I'd say he has a high character. As a matter of fact has he even really said anything negative about the Texans since he's been gone? Sure he's talked about how football wasn't fun for him, but it's not like he said football wasn't fun for him because the Texans are idiots, Dunta can't cover, Andre can't catch, etc.

Ok, he was here 5 yrs and didn't feel like playing for half those years but took his full pay ($40+ nillion) for so-so effort.
What reason would he have to hold out?...what other team would have given him 5yrs...and pay him $8 million for what?
What other team would have not hung on to him and try to get something for him?
Skip practice and not play on Sunday would have cost him money...
McNair did a lot for Carr--guess I missed the talk where Carr thanked Bob for all he'd done for him...and all the stuff David did for his fans, especially the kids...those clinics were a nice touch, oh-Carr didn't do that...
JMO, but I don't associate 'high character' with a 'me' person. But you still didn't say what Carr did to be held in high esteem...

He didn't feel like playing but he still practiced and played. There are times when I hate going into my work, but I still go in and work. Should I tell my boss not to worry about paying me my salary this week because even though I'm here working I don't want to be so I shouldn't get paid for it?
He could of held out by saying he wasn't going to play another snap untill they start to address the o-line.
He didn't always like playing here. How many players demand trades because they don't like where they are at. How many people have demanded trades lately and they seem to be untradable. Doesn't matter if he was trabable or not. My point was that he wasn't happy and could of asked for a trade, but he didn't.
You mentioned he made 40+ million. You figure if he skipped a practice it would of costed him what 5k maybe 10k? I doubt that he's so money hungry that even though he's making well over a million a year that he wouldn't skip practice because he would miss out on 5-10k dollars. Jmo, but I believe the reason why he never skipped practices(that I know about) is because he didn't want to.
David doing stuff for fans imo doesn't add or take away to what I see his character as. Personally I don't know if he ever did anything for the fans. Lets say he never did anything for the fans, Would that mean his character is bad? What about Pacman? If he does things for his fans, would you say he has good character?
You wanted to know how someone could think of his character as positive or good. I gave my opinion of what he did/didn't do that made me believe he has a good character. Everyone has different opinions. Personally if I hated playing for a team but they offered me a 3 year $30 Mil contract I'd probably take it and still play for them. I might not like it, but I'd still do it. I'm sure some people and players think like me and some people and players don't. Just depends on there opinion on the issue.

[tificoach]

well, i think pasquarelli has something against houston, i never here him say anything good about any of our teams. so its just going to be one of those years were all of these sports talk bums are going to put there foot in there mouth. especially when schaub goes out and blows everyones minds with his passer rating.

[ubecool454]

There's physical talent and there's 'mental' talent. Carr is more athletic than Schaub. Does that make him a better QB? No.
Obviously you want to maximize the combination of physical and mental components. There's also pesonality/character traits that determine who makes better leaders than others. That's another (old) debate.
Ryan Leaf was one the most talented (physically gifted) prospects ever when he came up (moreso than Peyton), but it was something else that kept him from being successful in the NFL - and passed over by Polian.
You beat me to it...Hit the nail on the head!

[TK_Gamer]

I have moved on from my years of hoping Carr could put it all together, but I still think it's a shame. He did have alot of talent physically, quick feet, rocket arm, etc etc. Oh well, hopefully he can get away from all the pressure now and work on being a quartback and using all those skills. I think Schaub has half the talent physically but is miles ahead in becomming a quality NFL quarterback and team leader. GO TEXANS

Now can we start camp allready!