Andre Johnson - 2 receptions

[Schaub2Andre4TD]

Unfortunately, I only got to see the last half of the 4th quarter. So I looked at the final box score and noticed that AJ only had 2 receptions. What the hell is going on out there?!

Was AJ getting doubled/tripled the whole time? I read on the forum that he dropped a few critical passes in the red zone. Was Schaub throwing bad passes to him? Bad play calling? I can't believe his impact on a game could be so minimal.

The Titans WRs have gotten a lot of flack especially from the VY fans. Well what does that say about our WRs when they had less receiving yards than Titan receivers (by 1 yard)?

I think about an ideal red zone line of scrimmage with AJ, Walter, Daniels, and Davis lining up. That should be good enough IMO. Why aren't we converting? O-line not giving Schaub enough time?

[Numert]

Unfortunately, I only got to see the last half of the 4th quarter. So I looked at the final box score and noticed that AJ only had 2 receptions. What the hell is going on out there?!

Was AJ getting doubled/tripled the whole time? I read on the forum that he dropped a few critical passes in the red zone. Was Schaub throwing bad passes to him? Bad play calling? I can't believe his impact on a game could be so minimal.

The Titans WRs have gotten a lot of flack especially from the VY fans. Well what does that say about our WRs when they had less receiving yards than Titan receivers (by 1 yard)?

I think about an ideal red zone line of scrimmage with AJ, Walter, Daniels, and Davis lining up. That should be good enough IMO. Why aren't we converting? O-line not giving Schaub enough time?


No, actually Andre Johnson had a few drops...XD I know, rare, but he did.

[houstonsportsfan09]

Ahhh it was just another bad day out there for the boys. You cant blame this person or that person or this coach or that coach. It was the whole team.

[whatyouknow45]

Andre had a bad game. Gary Kubiak had a horrid game.

[Texan Naija]

Andre had a bad game, although I will give him a few times he was very well covered but it is a difficult week, all we can do is hope for the best next time.

[Keldar]

Andre Dropsem'....err, Johnson has been stinking up the joint all year. It is clear that Squab lost confidence in him today for sure. :mad:

[Cougar54]

Andre Dropsem'....err, Johnson has been stinking up the joint all year. It is clear that Squab lost confidence in him today for sure. :mad:

how can you say he's been stinking up the joint all year when he went over a hundred yards recieving in the first game? The team has had a tough week!

i'd blame schaub for not recognizing the defenses (7 interceptions in his last 3 FULL games) and lack of kubes' overconfidence in him...just me though...

[vinceanity]

Unfortunately, I only got to see the last half of the 4th quarter. So I looked at the final box score and noticed that AJ only had 2 receptions. What the hell is going on out there?!

Was AJ getting doubled/tripled the whole time? I read on the forum that he dropped a few critical passes in the red zone. Was Schaub throwing bad passes to him? Bad play calling? I can't believe his impact on a game could be so minimal.

The Titans WRs have gotten a lot of flack especially from the VY fans. Well what does that say about our WRs when they had less receiving yards than Titan receivers (by 1 yard)?

I think about an ideal red zone line of scrimmage with AJ, Walter, Daniels, and Davis lining up. That should be good enough IMO. Why aren't we converting? O-line not giving Schaub enough time?
nope...........its called Cortlaqnd Finnegan. He was matched up with him for 80% of the day............AJ got shut down. And Even Harper made some great plays against him. Titan D was playing well, especially in the red zone.

[aj.]

What Kubiak called 'dropped TD passes' looked like one well defensed play and one over his head - would have been out of bounds anyway kind of miss. They obviously locked him up and it would have been nice if Schaub had found Davis or Walter on more key plays deep.

[Vincesanity1.0]

What Kubiak called 'dropped TD passes' looked like one well defensed play and one over his head - would have been out of bounds anyway kind of miss. They obviously locked him up and it would have been nice if Schaub had found Davis or Walter on more key plays deep.

You're probably the only Texans fan that saw that...

[Vincesanity1.0]

ur boy albert looked a lil winded out there, he didnt do to well out there except the no called late hit him and V.B put on schaub. And ur boy V.B can just hop off sides all he wants the whole game and it never gets called, it must be nice.


Al got a sack too...where was Mario? and before you talk about KVB jumpin off side, the Texans had a player, I think it was Taylor moving in the backfield that wasn't called. Fisher made sure the referees knew about it Try to make excuses as to why you lost, but the fact was the Texans just got beat fair and square. 6 chances in the redzone says it all.

[aj.]

i agree one was Nearly out of bounds, but the one that was a "little" high hit him in the palms of both is hands , it was a simple drop by A.J. these guys get paid to catch those, it was more than catchable.

It wasn't a simple drop (the one over the middle). Harper hit AJ's forearm just as the ball arrived. If AJ did anything wrong, it was not realizing Harper was on his tail and not attacking the ball instead of waiting for it to fall into his hands. [paraphrasing AJ's post game comments on that one]

You can argue that he should have held on to it anyway, but sometimes that's easier said than done when a defender cracks you in the forearm at the moment the ball arrives - point being the one over the middle wasn't a 'simple drop.'

The other one (in the corner) wasn't nearly out of bounds. The replay shows AJs second foot clearly out of bounds - mainly because Schaub threw it too high and without enough loft.

[Erratic Assassin]

Andre looked almost disinterested,but the Texans arent exactly full of heart as a unit.

I love it when the Titans shove our players to the ground after the whistle & our players get up with their tails between their legs & slouch their way back to the huddle. That tells me we came to win.

If you listen hard you can almost hear "Thank you sir may I have another?"

[Se7en]

Andre Dropsem'....err, Johnson has been stinking up the joint all year. It is clear that Squab lost confidence in him today for sure. :mad:

Umm... I am speechless. Go sit in the corner, you need a time out man!

[aj.]

yeah and aj, admited that he said he thought he was all alone, its just catches we're used to seeing him make, and he usually will more times than not.

yup ....

[Sportswriter79]

He's overrated. He has a height advantage and still drops balls. And he really has a difficult time shaking off DBs to get truly open.

He might be one of the best players on a bad team, but there are lots of better receivers in the NFL.

[Se7en]

He's overrated. He has a height advantage and still drops balls. And he really has a difficult time shaking off DBs to get truly open.

He might be one of the best players on a bad team, but there are lots of better receivers in the NFL.

Weird, I think he is one of the best... certainly top 5. I have also never seen him dropping balls like yesterday.

[WaldovonPutz]

He's overrated. He has a height advantage and still drops balls. And he really has a difficult time shaking off DBs to get truly open.

He might be one of the best players on a bad team, but there are lots of better receivers in the NFL.

If Andre played for Dallas or even Green Bay, he would be ballyhooed as much as Owens or Moss. Take your blinders off.

[Sportswriter79]

If Andre played for Dallas or even Green Bay, he would be ballyhooed as much as Owens or Moss. Take your blinders off.

Big assumption. Take off your rose colored glasses.

2 catches. Sad.

[twinsfan]

the two in the endzone were on AJ. His body language looked bad too, either he has an issue we don't know of, or he wants to be some where else.... right now if I were him at his point in his career, physical ability, etc, I couldn't blame him.

You can't catch many balls when your QB is shaking in his shoes and has fear all over his face. AJ's bad day was about 50-50, but Matt was all over the place and that doesn't help anyone.

[Se7en]

Big assumption. Take off your rose colored glasses.

2 catches. Sad.

1 bad game. period.

Look back over his lifetime of games and see how many times he was totally dominated by the D. Heck, just go look at hsi stats and tell me he is not as elite as any Randy Moss, Owens, 85, etc.

Complaining about our superstar is just lame, this is not the Rockets team and he is not T-Mac! Oops... did I just say that? ;)

[blake1776]

The balls I saw him miss were poorly thrown. It seemed like Schaub was throwing it to him in a panic, even though AJ was in a bad position and very possibly could have been seriously hurt. I asked myself a few times why he was trying to hurt our best reciever.

They should have exploited the man to man of Davis more, he's got speed.

[LSUtexan]

Big assumption. Take off your rose colored glasses.

2 catches. Sad.

And what exactly did Owens and Moss do yesterday?

[El Tejano]

the two in the endzone were on AJ. His body language looked bad too, either he has an issue we don't know of, or he wants to be some where else.... right now if I were him at his point in his career, physical ability, etc, I couldn't blame him.

You can't catch many balls when your QB is shaking in his shoes and has fear all over his face. AJ's bad day was about 50-50, but Matt was all over the place and that doesn't help anyone.

Earlier before the season started, AJ was on Rome is Burning and he said something to the affect of it being frustrating by not winning but that he was willing to go through it for now. That interview made all kinds of alarms go off in my head. I think if we can't get into the playoffs soon this dude will not sign with us again or demand a trade.

I think the team is feeling more and more confident in Sage because he has never quit when he played and he has never shown to be scared to throw the ball.

[Sportswriter79]

And what exactly did Owens and Moss do yesterday?

I don't know. But it couldn't have been significantly less than AJ.

[LSUtexan]

Top 5?!? Are you kidding me? Maybe top 5 in the afc...maybe

Moss,Owens,Fitzgerald,Boldin,c.Johnson,Wayne..How many more would you like?

All of those guys have great QBs and very good if not great #2. Meanwhile, AJ has had David Carr and Matt Schaub throwing him the ball and guys like corey bradford, jabar gaffney and kevin walter trying to draw coverage away from him.

[Vincesanity1.0]

All of those guys have great QBs and very good if not great #2. Meanwhile, AJ has had David Carr and Matt Schaub throwing him the ball and guys like corey bradford, jabar gaffney and kevin walter trying to draw coverage away from him.

You consider Crayton very good not great?

[Schaubie Love]

Unfortunately, I only got to see the last half of the 4th quarter. So I looked at the final box score and noticed that AJ only had 2 receptions. What the hell is going on out there?!

Was AJ getting doubled/tripled the whole time? I read on the forum that he dropped a few critical passes in the red zone. Was Schaub throwing bad passes to him? Bad play calling? I can't believe his impact on a game could be so minimal.

The Titans WRs have gotten a lot of flack especially from the VY fans. Well what does that say about our WRs when they had less receiving yards than Titan receivers (by 1 yard)?

I think about an ideal red zone line of scrimmage with AJ, Walter, Daniels, and Davis lining up. That should be good enough IMO. Why aren't we converting? O-line not giving Schaub enough time?

Don't forget the TWO passes he dropped in the end zone on seperate drives. That he should have caught cause he was wide open and they weren't poor passes.

[Vincesanity1.0]

Don't forget the TWO passes he dropped in the end zone on seperate drives. That he should have caught cause he was wide open and they weren't poor passes.

He would've been out of bounds on that throw to the corner of the endzone...

[LSUtexan]

You consider Crayton very good not great?

I don't think Crayton is great but he is serviceable and TO's first year in Dallas, Terry Glenn was still there. Plus, they have very good TE in Witten, who has had better numbers than our number 2 receiver since he's been in the league with the exception of his rookie season.

[Texan Naija]

I don't know. But it couldn't have been significantly less than AJ.

Actually Owens was as quiet as a mouse in the Green Bay game. I think he only had two receptions. Nothing that large.

[TexSid]

I wish you guys would at least bother with reading the stats before you started mouthing off:

Marvin Harrison 4 40yds
TO 2 17yds
Moss 4 25

yeah those guys all stink...so one bad day means your career is over ----you must be the same folks making those excellent decisions on Wall Street.....

[WaldovonPutz]

I wish you guys would at least bother with reading the stats before you started mouthing off:

Marvin Harrison 4 40yds
TO 2 17yds
Moss 4 25

yeah those guys all stink...so one bad day means your career is over ----you must be the same folks making those excellent decisions on Wall Street.....

Sid, you are DEAD ON!

[Se7en]

I wish you guys would at least bother with reading the stats before you started mouthing off:

Marvin Harrison 4 40yds
TO 2 17yds
Moss 4 25

yeah those guys all stink...so one bad day means your career is over ----you must be the same folks making those excellent decisions on Wall Street.....

You cannot deny those facts! Nice reply to end this thread!

Ask any NFL "expert" and they will agree that Andre Johnson is one of the elite WRs in the league. Deny it if you want, it is just a simple fact that when he is not injured he is a huge threat to the other team... and when the ball is also thrown to him more than a handful of times in a game.

[GEA89]

.....watch Andre leave Houston faster than Santa Anna did.

[SMC-22]

At that point he'll be 34 -35 lets see how bad we want him.Pfff...moron

[GEA89]

Need some math help there buddy.. Pfff

[SMC-22]

Need some math help there buddy.. Pfff

He just signed an 8 yr. contract extension.

[GEA89]

Looks like it paid off, he is averaging a reception a game.

[SMC-22]

Looks like it paid off, he is averaging a reception a game.

don't even know how to be wrong.I'm not a moron,you're not gonna shake me or convince me that this is the truth.Move on to somebody else

[GEA89]

2 receptions this year, 2 games, wow.... yeah I am so wrong.

How many TD drops a game is he averaging as well. Yay, your boy is great. Money well spent.

[Jags_Baby]

I don't know. But it couldn't have been significantly less than AJ.

Moss was being his old self, doesnt care about the team unless Brady is in there. Sad. Sad.

[SMC-22]

Looks like it paid off, he is averaging a reception a game.

2 receptions this year, 2 games, wow.... yeah I am so wrong.

How many TD drops a game is he averaging as well. Yay, your boy is great. Money well spent.

Yeah he sucks,The Texans suck,the coaches suck,but you're here...why?no friends at home either.

[GEA89]

..keep the faith big guy, tell me what it gets you in 10 years...

[taxman]

Unfortunately, I only got to see the last half of the 4th quarter. So I looked at the final box score and noticed that AJ only had 2 receptions. What the hell is going on out there?!

Was AJ getting doubled/tripled the whole time? I read on the forum that he dropped a few critical passes in the red zone. Was Schaub throwing bad passes to him? Bad play calling? I can't believe his impact on a game could be so minimal.

The Titans WRs have gotten a lot of flack especially from the VY fans. Well what does that say about our WRs when they had less receiving yards than Titan receivers (by 1 yard)?

I think about an ideal red zone line of scrimmage with AJ, Walter, Daniels, and Davis lining up. That should be good enough IMO. Why aren't we converting? O-line not giving Schaub enough time?

AJ is starting like he did last year, before he got hurt, dropping balls and dropping balls.

[Se7en]

AJ is starting like he did last year, before he got hurt, dropping balls and dropping balls.

You must not have watched last season then. He had a great showing prior to getting hurt. He and Schaub were an amazing match for our passing game. This season has not started anything like last season did.

However, great things are to come and the Texans will get back in stride. Hopefully this week to shut all these idiots on the board up. Everyone is coming out of the woodwork and most of these people have never posted before.

I am fairly certain all these trolls are not even fans of Houston, they are just fans of other teams getting a kick out of watching us go through a tough time.

[SMC-22]

Oh...i get it,he just can't be wrong.Must be nice to be that perfect,all i'm sayin' is,I'm sure you've dropped somebodies jockstrap more than twice a game.

[taxman]

You must not have watched last season then. He had a great showing prior to getting hurt. He and Schaub were an amazing match for our passing game. This season has not started anything like last season did.

However, great things are to come and the Texans will get back in stride. Hopefully this week to shut all these idiots on the board up. Everyone is coming out of the woodwork and most of these people have never posted before.

I am fairly certain all these trolls are not even fans of Houston, they are just fans of other teams getting a kick out of watching us go through a tough time.

The problem is that if you throw AJ a ton of balls, you will not notice how many balls he dropped. Yes, he was having a good year last year, before he got hurt, however, considering how many balls were thrown to him, he was dropping more than his share.

Now, this year it is showing right away, because he is not getting all the balls, because there are other good receivers and T/E's out there that can catch. Don't get me wrong, I think alot of AJ, however, he is not caring he weight as of right now.

So to you, (no we are not from another team) You just can't accept that AJ is human, and has currently a problem catching the ball. Hopefully, he can turn it around.

And as of coming out of the woodwork, no one has to, because we all see what happened.
It's on film.

[houstonsportsfan09]

Jags are willing to trade you guys Richard Angulo for Andre Johnson and a 3rd round pick. U guys interested???

Rich Angulo? The TE/FB? The guy no one has probably heard of on this board? Come on, get outta here already.

[houstonsportsfan09]

u down for a rap battle? BTW, i am a trillionaire.

No im not down for no rap battle. Thats nice keep your trillions, maybe go buy the Jags a WR or two.

[houstonsportsfan09]

I didn't buy any Jaguar receivers, but I did buy Reggie Williams his Ashton Martin. He may not be a good football player but he is a cool dude. we rap battle all the time.

Thats nice. Does he street race? Maybe him and Mario can catch up sometime.

[houstonsportsfan09]

Nah, have you've seen Mario street race? He'd smoke Reggie Williams.

[houstonsportsfan09]

You don't understand dude....no idea........you havent got a clue......you're crazy....

I LIKE YOU, BUT YOUR CRAZZZY

Right! So Im crazy and your not a trillionaire. Sounds like a deal to me! And Im just having a hard time believing your a trillionaire. Oh well, I dont waste time with those who are "better" than me. Ill just let you go and keep making your "trillions"

[houstonsportsfan09]

Yeah so how did you get your trillions. Oh wait let me guess, your rap battles!!

[houstonsportsfan09]

so your name is Scott Seamans

[houstonsportsfan09]

well Scott Seamans is the inventor of crocs, and you said you invented crocs? Hmm not adding up to me.

[Leebo]

You cannot deny those facts! Nice reply to end this thread!

Ask any NFL "expert" and they will agree that Andre Johnson is one of the elite WRs in the league. Deny it if you want, it is just a simple fact that when he is not injured he is a huge threat to the other team... and when the ball is also thrown to him more than a handful of times in a game.

Heres some more stats you can't deny. Since 2003 when AJ was drafted:

AJ 25 TD's 72 Games

Randy Moss 65 Td's 76 Games

TO 60 TD's 70 Games

AJ usually has a lot of catches and good yardage(about 600 less yards than TO and Randy Moss), but he is way behind in TD's. You could play the But AJ had Carr as a QB, but to me that makes no difference. Sure AJ has tons of potential and maybe with Mcnabb or Brady as his QB he might put up ungoldy numbers like Moss did last year, But he's not putting up the numbers in my opinion to be called a top 5 WR. He has top 5 potential, but he needs to up his numbers, esp his TD numbers.

[houstonsportsfan09]

The offer is on the table, Angulo for AJ and a third.

Still no thanks and Im speaking for most Texans Fans. What will a 3rd get us anyhow? Nothing

[houstonsportsfan09]

Well you wouldnt exactly get nothing,you would get that salary cap space back so you can get a REAL reciever.

AJ has looked good in flashes,but he has never looked good for a full season and he is off to another crappy start.:(

True that.

[TexSid]

please do not feed ignoramus trolls. Gee lets play my favorite stat...mmmm..I pick yds/game 2007 AJ leads ALL NFL receivers.

in 2006 I choose receptions HEY LOOK AJ leads the NFL again!

[Sportswriter79]

Moss was being his old self, doesnt care about the team unless Brady is in there. Sad. Sad.

At least there was a new, effective self that got the Patriots to the Super Bowl at one point in time.

[TexSid]

Keep tryin troll. Man you're right let me be a fan of your lame team. Please oh please. Which is???? Let me guess it is whoever is winning....

[LSUtexan]

Heres some more stats you can't deny. Since 2003 when AJ was drafted:

AJ 25 TD's 72 Games

Randy Moss 65 Td's 76 Games

TO 60 TD's 70 Games

AJ usually has a lot of catches and good yardage(about 600 less yards than TO and Randy Moss), but he is way behind in TD's. You could play the But AJ had Carr as a QB, but to me that makes no difference. Sure AJ has tons of potential and maybe with Mcnabb or Brady as his QB he might put up ungoldy numbers like Moss did last year, But he's not putting up the numbers in my opinion to be called a top 5 WR. He has top 5 potential, but he needs to up his numbers, esp his TD numbers.

I don't think anyone is going to deny that when they want to be, Moss and Owens are the best in the league. The reason they were brought up before is to show that even they have bad games. However, why do you compare Moss and TO's seasons in there primes to Andre's first 5 years on a team that was entering it's 2nd year. if you look at their first five years you get:

Moss: 414 rec 6,743 yards 60 TDs in 80 games

Owens: 319 rec 4,758 yards 47 TDs in 76 games

Andre: 371 rec 4,804 yards 25 TDs in 70 games

AJ and TO have similar numbers except for total TDs, but there percentage of rec TDs compared to the rest of there team are almost identical. Owens played in a better offense that scored alot more points. As for Moss, he played in one of the best offenses in the history of the NFL. Yes he had a lot to do with that, but he also had help with Cris Carter and Robert Smith.

I'm not arguing that AJ should be ahead of either Moss or TO but Andre does belong in any conversation about the top 5 wr. Tier 1 is Moss and TO even though I looks like we are going to see Moss and is patented I only play when I want to attitude this year. Then Tier 2 includes Wayne, Chad Johnson, Bolden, Fitz, Steve Smith, and AJ. As I have said early in this thread look at there teams and look at the Texans. Wayne plays with two hall of famers, Chad has a pro bowl QB and WR, Bolden and Fitz have each other. Smith is similar to Andre in that he doesn't have another elite player on offense and I think it's a toss up between them. Scouts,inc. put Smith at 3 and Andre at 4.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=3309135

[Leebo]

I don't think anyone is going to deny that when they want to be, Moss and Owens are the best in the league. The reason they were brought up before is to show that even they have bad games. However, why do you compare Moss and TO's seasons in there primes to Andre's first 5 years on a team that was entering it's 2nd year.




My post wasn't in reply to yours. I know you posted those stats of TO, RM, and MH to show that not every great receiver is always going to have huge days. I posted those stats in reply to:


Heck, just go look at hsi stats and tell me he is not as elite as any Randy Moss, Owens, 85, etc.

I was just pointing out that to me his stats aren't as elite as RM and TO. The reason I chose to compare from 2003-now is because to me this is the most relevent information. TO, RM, and AJ all faced the same "caliber" CB's. AJ had a New QB throwing to him in 07, TO had a new QB throwing to him in 06-07. Moss's numbers include his time in a horrible Raiders offense. TO's numbers include his suspension from the Eagles. Aj's include his missing game from injuries.

[LSUtexan]

If the nfl changes the rules to give points for yards or receptions i might agree, until then...O-ver-rated clapclap clapclapclap o-ver-rated clapclap clapclapclap

So it doesn't matter to you that the texans have only been in the top half of the league in points scored once?

[TexSid]

I have been a season ticket holder for every year the Texans have been around and I have been a football fan for 38 years so think what you may but AJ is in the elite group of receivers and you still sound like a troll to me with a name called slagalot that joins the forum this month. Now first off you know AJ is a top receiver or else you wouldn't get any mileage off your inflammatory post title (or you could actually think that but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt). AJ made the probowl in 2004 and 2005 playing for a pretty bad team so I suspect his peers think pretty highly of him even if you don't. I also think they know more about football than either of us. As many have pointed out his stats are comparable to the best over the last 70 games but you sound like the kind of person that ranks CBs only on the basis of INTs. Wes Welker was great last year for the Pats but only had 8 TDs , Steve Smith 7.
BY YOUR CRITERIA here the top 5 so i guess you can be happy with that....

1. Randy Moss NE WR 98 1,493 15.2 93.3 65T 23 18 9 74 75.5 0
2 Braylon Edwards CLE WR 80 1,289 16.1 80.6 78T 16 21 4 57 71.3 3
3 Terrell Owens DAL WR 81 1,355 16.7 90.3 52T 15 22 6 69 85.2 0
4(tie) Plaxico Burress NYG WR 70 1,025 14.6 64.1 60T 12 15 5 49 70.0 0
4(tie) T.J. Houshmandzadeh CIN WR 112 1,143 10.2 71.4 42T 12 9 1 70 62.5 2
4 (tie) Greg Jennings GB WR 53 920 17.4 70.8 82T 12 13 7 37 69.8 1