"Holier Than Thou" Fans

[NaCl H2O Angler]

I don't post a lot on these message boards and I don't feel like making this a long rant, but I'm getting sick of coming on here every week and seeing anyone who posts something even slightly negative (or even constructive) get bombarded by a gang of people calling them "bandwagoners" or "fair weather fans" or "fake fans" and telling them to "GTFO because they're not welcome here anymore" (example: http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=8226)

Just as most of us wouldn't settle for making 5 bucks an hour flipping burgers to make a living, everyone didn't grow up playing tiddlywinks at the YMCA where the mentality is that everyone is a winner and it's ok to be mediocre doesn't mean they're a "bad" fan. More than likely it probably means they're a better fan in my opinion. Why? Because they're not happy when we're losing. They probably weren't happy at 8-8 last year either. They want division titles. They want playoffs. They want AFC domination. They want superbowls...

Now... I'm not talking about the obvious trolls who just randomly come on here and simply say things like "TEXANS SUCK, I'M A SAINTS FAN NOW". But a lot of you guys need to understand that a lot of people don't accept being average, much less failure. And if you have to change something or fire someone or hurt somebody's feelings to successfully achieve what you're trying to accomplish (read WIN), then so be it. The players, the coaches, the management- they're all adults. They don't need some goobers on the internet defending them from the harsh realities that every aspect of the NFL is insanely competitive. They understand that the best get the nods, and is why they get paid millions.

I'm not the ultimate football genius, but I did play collegiately and have been around the game for a while. When considering our schedule, division strength, roster changes, and now with other uncertainties like Ike, I think this year is going to be a huge let down for the majority of fans that had their hopes raised last year- and I'm sure a lot of you more knowledgeable fans do as well. I sincerely hope I'm wrong though, and will still be rooting for the good guys.

I just want things to change- I want to win. Does that mean I'm a bad fan in ya'lls opinions?

And yes, I believe a lot of it is simply frustration. (Try being an SMU fan too...)

[theCATALYST]

It isn't the criticism from some fans that has others of us so riled up. Nor is it the blatant call for change. The fact of the matter is this is the second game of the season, and WAY too early for the "Fire...." threads and "Start...." threads. It is also way out of line to come onto a Texans website and post threads like "I am no longer a fan" and "Texans suck, I'm going to root for another team". That kind of rediculous banter is getting old.

Yes, I want to win. Yes, I absolutely think we played horrid these last two games. And YES, I think that for anyone who feels an urge to post another thread like those mentioned above, then by all means, do it somewhere else. Texans fans have football to talk, we don't need the negativities to clutter the board.

[aj.]

There's really nothing to gain by clicking on certain threads. Usually the thread title is a dead giveaway but if you accidentally happen upon one of those 'I'm a real fan and you're not" arguments, just click somewhere else and move on because you know exactly where it will lead (in the opposite direction of productive use of time).

[TheGoaT]

theres nothing wrong with being frustrated about a poor performance. Maybe try to discuss the game and what was wrong about things, instead of the 50 threads we have calling for someone's job, a trade, or giving up on the team all together. As a fan of Houston football since childhood, I seen the ups and downs over the years, and Im not going to start overreacting after 2 games. lets also not forget these guys went 4 days without football and some of them dont have a roof on their homes right now. To the guy that screamed out about switching to a saints fan, the Saints are 1-2. Youre not exactly making a step up.

[WriterGene]

It isn't the criticism from some fans that has others of us so riled up. Nor is it the blatant call for change. The fact of the matter is this is the second game of the season, and WAY too early for the "Fire...." threads and "Start...." threads. It is also way out of line to come onto a Texans website and post threads like "I am no longer a fan" and "Texans suck, I'm going to root for another team". That kind of rediculous banter is getting old.

Yes, I want to win. Yes, I absolutely think we played horrid these last two games. And YES, I think that for anyone who feels an urge to post another thread like those mentioned above, then by all means, do it somewhere else. Texans fans have football to talk, we don't need the negativities to clutter the board.

Agreed.

[bnvs32]

Ive been a fan since 02 and personally I think the Texans are doing 200% better than now than they were then. Anyone that says that they are changing teams are crappy fans and I use the word fan loosely. Let them go we dont need ppl like that cheering for the Texans. I live in Wisconsin and Ive never hard a Brewers fan say the were changin teams just cause the Brewers habvent made the playoffs since 1982. (Im an Astros fan) The Texans just are gonna take some time to grow. I fully believe if they were a NFC team they wouldve made the playoffs a couple of years ago. I would like to see some of the NFC teams play in our division and make the playoffs. We had 3 out of 4 teams in the playoffs last year. Tell me that aint a hard division. All im saying is if youre a bandwagoner, quit cheering we dont care. Try being a Texans fan in Packer country!!!

[CoogBull]

theres nothing wrong with being frustrated about a poor performance. Maybe try to discuss the game and what was wrong about things, instead of the 50 threads we have calling for someone's job, a trade, or giving up on the team all together. As a fan of Houston football since childhood, I seen the ups and downs over the years, and Im not going to start overreacting after 2 games. lets also not forget these guys went 4 days without football and some of them dont have a roof on their homes right now. To the guy that screamed out about switching to a saints fan, the Saints are 1-2. Youre not exactly making a step up.

Perhaps calling for firings is the thing to do. That is constructive in my opinion. I think it is prudent to ask why, with all the talent and money sank into the defense, we still can not generate a pass rush. Why is there anything wrong with asking Richard Smith to justify his defense?

At what record can pointed questions be asked? After the season when nothing has changed?

[houstonsportsfan09]

Perhaps calling for firings is the thing to do. That is constructive in my opinion. I think it is prudent to ask why, with all the talent and money sank into the defense, we still can not generate a pass rush. Why is there anything wrong with asking Richard Smith to justify his defense?

At what record can pointed questions be asked? After the season when nothing has changed?

Exactly! Well said. The excuses and mediocrity have to stop at some point and questions have to be asked.

[bnvs32]

I dont agree with threatening to fire ppl. Yeah the Texans spent alot of money on defense, and I think they need to in order to control the divisions high powered offenses. But when your offense aint producing points even the best defenses cant stop it all. I say one step at a time, put sage in and see if that helps. Then go from there. Did we forget Mario had an awesome year last year. Maybe think about getting better corners then there wouldnt be as much pressure on the line to do something.

[houstonsportsfan09]

I dont agree with threatening to fire ppl. Yeah the Texans spent alot of money on defense, and I think they need to in order to control the divisions high powered offenses. But when your offense aint producing points even the best defenses cant stop it all. I say one step at a time, put sage in and see if that helps. Then go from there. Did we forget Mario had an awesome year last year. Maybe think about getting better corners then there wouldnt be as much pressure on the line to do something.

The other way around. Its gonna be interesting to see when Robinson come back, to see if the point you just made is true, and if we have anything to salvage or play for.

[Se7en]

The thread you linked is from last week when "so called fans" came on the boards after 1 loss with threads titled "Fire Kubiak" and the body text read as, "He sucks and we will never win." (paraphrased of course)

Those people bring nothing to the forums and they are a waste of space. The part that eats at me is that they also claim they are Texans fans, yet you never hear them saying anything positive let alone having a post count of more than 10-30.

People that only get on after a bad game to complain about how horrible we are... those people do not get any of my koolaid!

[Se7en]

I dont agree with threatening to fire ppl. Yeah the Texans spent alot of money on defense, and I think they need to in order to control the divisions high powered offenses. But when your offense aint producing points even the best defenses cant stop it all. I say one step at a time, put sage in and see if that helps. Then go from there. Did we forget Mario had an awesome year last year. Maybe think about getting better corners then there wouldnt be as much pressure on the line to do something.

It might sound funny, but our D was a shut down D for the second half and it opened the game for our O to take the game into our hands. Our D only allowed 88 second half yards and no TDs, I call that a good game for the D.

Now if we can get the team to play both offense and defense in the first half we should be sitting pretty for the remainder of our games.

[pure_respect]

This wall of text should be our offensive line.

For the most part I agree with you, just to let you know I'm not simply trolling.

[Se7en]

You are going to lose a lot of people to the Wall O' Text.

Good to see you are still posting though. :)

[bnvs32]

I wish I could watch more Texans games. Unless its a sunday night or a Monday game im SOL. I get stuck watching Bears or {***}Packers games. All I can do is watch scores and see the highlights on Monday.

[bnvs32]

Hey this is my first day on the boards just cause I dont have a high post count dont mean that Im not a fan it just means that I usually have better things to do than hang out in a bulletin area. No insult intended

[TexSid]

This is a good thread. I know I have been consistently critical but I want (and what we all want) is the Texans to be better. Yesterday's game was classic Texans. The Titans gave us plenty of opportunities. Normally when you get those breaks you win but what worries me is that we seem consistently outcoached. I watched the Steelers/Titans read plays make good reads and tackle soundly. I watched the Texans lose people in space, tackle poorly and Schaub made bad reads and AJ dropped balls. Some folks played well Slaton, Ryans, Okam (I thought he played very well!) Owen Daniels but it is about the team. Either Kubiak is unprepared or the players are not executing but all I know is that in my business (and prolly yours) you better deliver the goods or you are out. I want to see this team breathing fire and flying to the ball. ok I'm done for now......

[Se7en]

I got alittle more then 10 - 30 posts. However I would say that around 25-30% have been posts about things that either I didnt like such as teams performance and what not but that means 75 -80% was good. Does that qualify me for Kool aid? Just curious

Dude! You get your koolaid since in your other post you made it sould like you broke your TV out of anger for this Sunday's game. Any one with that passion can have some koolaid anytime they like.

THE SEASON HAS JUST BEGUN MY FRIENDS! Grab your glasses and lets move out of this funk and head to Jacksonville looking to balance the win-loss column! Do not lose faith yet, we have the people in place to help us win from the Owner down to the waterboys!

[Se7en]

Hey this is my first day on the boards just cause I dont have a high post count dont mean that Im not a fan it just means that I usually have better things to do than hang out in a bulletin area. No insult intended

Based on this single post you are not simply showing up to complain about the Texans. If you come here only to post your negative views of this organization, then no koolaid for you my friend.

[bnvs32]

Okay. I thought you were referring to me with the 10-30 posts. And that pi$$ed me off. Anyone that questions me being a fan can f@#$ off. I dare any Texans fan to come to butt Packer country and cheer for the Texans. It would be alot easier to just cheere for the ***** Packers but the Texans are my team. And they always will be even if they go 1 and 16.

[bnvs32]

Have you read my posts texansaint there is not on bad word about the texans in them.

[Se7en]

Have you read my posts texassaint there is not on bad word about the texans in them.

We had a number of people that popped on the forums after the steelers game with low post counts. They were claiming to be Texans fans but yelling about us needing to fire everyone and how the team was horrible.

No matter how bad that loss was, it is over and only counts as 1 loss. Now we have 2 losses, but anyone thinking we would go undefeated for our first 5 games would be kidding themselves. 1-5 or 2-5 was what most people expected and even if we lose all 5 of those games we could still have more talent on our team than we did last season.

[spurstexanstros]

I can beat the wall o text with this:

Bandwagon= Cowboy fan

All the Texans fans say "ohhhh that was what he meant."

[TexSid]

I need some koolaid big time.

[bnvs32]

I understand you mught think that a low post count mught mean that. But youre assuming im like that. Ive been a fan since the beginning in 02 and it pi$$es me off that someone that dont know me would question me. Maybe you should read the whole 9 or 10 posts ive done and then maybe youll see that there is not one bad word about the Texans in them. Youre not much of a saint if youre judging ppl by looks.{the 9 or 10 posts, just in case you cant comprehend what I just said}

[spurstexanstros]

Well, for the most part any opinion on here doesnt really matter. We dont get paid. The team does not make changes on the basis of our suggestions. I SHOULD HOPE NOT posting on here keeps us from being productive and makes us feel like we are more important than we actually are. (where did I put that thesis I am supposed to be working on?) Anyways good thread, just remeber Everyone has an opinion just like everyone has a mouth and a butt. We should all be careful which one we speak out of.

10-6 until proven otherwise.

[bckey]

I don't post a lot on these message boards and I don't feel like making this a long rant, but I'm getting sick of coming on here every week and seeing anyone who posts something even slightly negative (or even constructive) get bombarded by a gang of people calling them "bandwagoners" or "fair weather fans" or "fake fans" and telling them to "GTFO because they're not welcome here anymore" (example: http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=8226)

Just as most of us wouldn't settle for making 5 bucks an hour flipping burgers to make a living, everyone didn't grow up playing tiddlywinks at the YMCA where the mentality is that everyone is a winner and it's ok to be mediocre doesn't mean they're a "bad" fan. More than likely it probably means they're a better fan in my opinion. Why? Because they're not happy when we're losing. They probably weren't happy at 8-8 last year either. They want division titles. They want playoffs. They want AFC domination. They want superbowls...

Now... I'm not talking about the obvious trolls who just randomly come on here and simply say things like "TEXANS SUCK, I'M A SAINTS FAN NOW". But a lot of you guys need to understand that a lot of people don't accept being average, much less failure. And if you have to change something or fire someone or hurt somebody's feelings to successfully achieve what you're trying to accomplish (read WIN), then so be it. The players, the coaches, the management- they're all adults. They don't need some goobers on the internet defending them from the harsh realities that every aspect of the NFL is insanely competitive. They understand that the best get the nods, and is why they get paid millions.

I'm not the ultimate football genius, but I did play collegiately and have been around the game for a while. When considering our schedule, division strength, roster changes, and now with other uncertainties like Ike, I think this year is going to be a huge let down for the majority of fans that had their hopes raised last year- and I'm sure a lot of you more knowledgeable fans do as well. I sincerely hope I'm wrong though, and will still be rooting for the good guys.

I just want things to change- I want to win. Does that mean I'm a bad fan in ya'lls opinions?

And yes, I believe a lot of it is simply frustration. (Try being an SMU fan too...)


Excellent post!