Having doubts about Schaub...NOT ME!!

[NewTexanFan]

This is for the Schaub so-called "haters" out there (especially where I work). First, by default he will be better than Carr. It would take a disaster of epic proportions to at least not meet that standard by any means. But, beyond that. Let's go with the theory that he doesn't have a ton of experience, so how can we know!? That is true to an extent, but we have a lot of clues.

Look the guy is near 6' 6" with an nice overhand "classic" delivery. He will be one of the second or third tallest starting QB's in the league. How many passes do you think will get batted down compared to the 6' 3" QB with the "VY sidearm" delivery?

He had an excellent career at Viriginia using a similar system, and also was tutored in the same system for 3 years at Atlanta. He had excellent coaching all along the way, and hasn't had to take a beating to do it. His leadership abilities on and off the field are off the charts compared to Carr, and are an often overlooked attribute. His work ethic is off the charts compared to Carr.
He reminds me of, much as I hate the guy, Peyton in his work ethic and absolutely driven to be the best. He works hard with his receivers to develop that cohesion and rythem so during games he can deliver the ball in the best placement for YAC. You all know how AJ will love that big difference.

He has demonstrated during the times he has played that he can improvise, shuffle his feet and buy time, and has a much better feel for the rush than Carr. All in all, let's call it pocket presence. We will see plays this year that with Carr would have been a sack, and with Schaub will be a positve play. On top of that, during the times he has played that he can make every throw required in this offense. Not as strong armed as Carr, but has a better, more accurate, and more catchable intermediate and deep ball, as better touch and delivery on his short throws.

He also can actually find his receivers and TE's in the mid and deep middle. This in turn will keep the safety's honest, and allow more room for AJ and the RB's to roam.

Highly recommended by former teammates, and coaches. They already want him back, hilarious. Kubiak also knows QB talent as well as anyone, and you have to think he studied every throw the guy made in his college and pro career before pulling the trigger. Unless you think Kubiak doesn't have an eye for QB talent, the mere fact that he dumped Carr and picked up Schauab should certaintly tell you something. But the whole Carr extension thing last year as you all know was BM's decision, not really Kubes.

[Zagen30]

Right on [Y]
I agree with everything you stated. Schaub alone gives me hope for this season; if we could go 6-10 with Carr at QB, just imagine what we can do with a competent quarterback under center![<:o)]

[1TrueTexan]

Agreed it should be a good year to be a texans fan

[SuperstarII]

I am just glad our dead weight is gone and we have a new QB at the helm. I have seen some of his games and even the pre-season game in 2005 where the played in Japan and Schaub got the MVP award for that game. I think he is ready and should surpass 6-10 this year.

[ReliantTexan]

Great post agree 100%. I looked at his stats at UV and their very impressive and after looking at them I wondered why he went late first day at the draft. I heard it had something to do with a shoulder injury; can someone clear me up on that.

[Olajuwon]

I still have plenty of doubts about Schaub....but a change of scenery was absolutely needed for both Qbs involved and Im very excited to see both Qbs play for their new teams....Time will tell...If worse comes to worse... we got Sage and Sage aint that bad...Id take him over Gifford Nielsen anyday....

[Wolf123]

Texans fans will finaly see what happens to an offense when there's a good quarterback behind the center!

[FirstTexansFan]

Id take him over Gifford Nielsen anyday....

I'd take milkshake breath over Carr anyday

Signed,
Carl Mauck

:)

[Whiskeyrbl]

Schaub is to Carr , What Joe Montana is to Quincy Carter

[TiredofSuffering]

and thus begins the Sycophant Syndrome that lead to Carr being hated. You're putting WAY too much on the kid already. He's 6'6" with a cannon arm and a super human work ethic. Sure Hall of Famer, and a multiple Pro Bowl guy.

Come on.

Let him LEARN to play quarterback. Let him learn the system. Let him throw more touchdowns than interceptions. Let him WIN ONE GAME as a starter.

Placing all these unrealistic expectations on him will lead to "failure", real or imagined. At this rate, if he is an above average NFL starting quarterback (which remains to be seen) he won't live up to the man-love hype Texans fans are giving him, and he'll be the next "Carr was the #1 pick and if this is all he can do then he sucks".

[Whiskeyrbl]

and thus begins the Sycophant Syndrome that lead to Carr being hated. You're putting WAY too much on the kid already. He's 6'6" with a cannon arm and a super human work ethic. Sure Hall of Famer, and a multiple Pro Bowl guy.

Come on.

Let him LEARN to play quarterback. Let him learn the system. Let him throw more touchdowns than interceptions. Let him WIN ONE GAME as a starter.

Placing all these unrealistic expectations on him will lead to "failure", real or imagined. At this rate, if he is an above average NFL starting quarterback (which remains to be seen) he won't live up to the man-love hype Texans fans are giving him, and he'll be the next "Carr was the #1 pick and if this is all he can do then he sucks".

I would like to change your name to Tired of listening to you. No one has said he is a Hall of Fanner, or multiple Pro Bowl guy. No one mentions a cannon arm. The Montana reference to Quincy Carter as it relates to Schaub and Carr is Schaub has shown a great touch and accuracy with his throws with great field vision(ala every coach he has had or player he has played with) much like Montana. And Carter always looked nervous and lost and very one dimensional MUCH LIKE CARR!!!!
does that help?

[caddy]

Sage will have a better shot at showing if he is as good as he was thought to be last year. I was happy we got him as I felt he was the best back-up we've had. With the Iron man gone, he will get a chance to prove it this year. Not that I feel, he will be picked over the Schaub... but the play of the O-line will give him the chance to fill in for the hurt the Schaub will get in the "protected" pocket.

[Wolf123]

I agree that we may be making Schaub out as a pro-bowl QB alittle early, but he's already better than David and there's still alot of offseason left. Thats why everyone is so excited.

[ThePoorSport]

"He works hard with his receivers to develop that cohesion and rythem so during games he can deliver the ball in the best placement for YAC. You all know how AJ will love that big difference."
You know this how??? From the two games that he's played as a pro??? Are you serious???
I'm a Texans fan and I live in Atlanta. I've actually watched both games that Schaub has played in and I think that you're overhyping this guy waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much, all things considered.
For one, in Atlanta he at least had Dunn (who can catch), Crumpler (who can catch) and Finneran (who can catch, most days) and two other spotty receivers in Jenkins and White. What does he have here? Dre (who's a beast), Daniels (up and coming) and a buncha WR hopefuls like Kevin Walters. I guarantee that Schaub is gonna get murdered like Carr got murdered cause we have an aging (center) and injury-prone offensive line. If you don't have hosses in the trenches you die in this league. We don't have the line yet to zone block like Kubiak wants to do and it's gonna be a long road for Schaub. I wish the dude the best but I see him fumbling just as many balls under duress as Carr.
New faces, same results. I hope that I'm wrong but it's unlikely.

[ThePoorSport]

And I wish that people would stop talking about Schaub's college stats and such.
David Carr was a better college QB than Schaub ever was. So just **** stop. It's foolish, you know who else looked good in college? Ryan Leaf, Danny Wuerfful, and the **** Detmer brothers.
So save that commentary. Cause it's not even a comparison. We still have a failing offensive line and no second WR. Let's talk about that.

[ThePoorSport]

Well, you picked a good name for yourself.
I would say that your comeback is witty if it wasn't the oldest message board/net retort to any statement that a person can't refute.
You're both comedic and useless. What a match.

[SuperstarII]

And I wish that people would stop talking about Schaub's college stats and such.
David Carr was a better college QB than Schaub ever was. So just **** stop. It's foolish, you know who else looked good in college? Ryan Leaf, Danny Wuerfful, and the **** Detmer brothers.
So save that commentary. Cause it's not even a comparison. We still have a failing offensive line and no second WR. Let's talk about that.


your name fits you and we did upgrade the offensive line and wide receiver if you have paid attention.

[ThePoorSport]

Thanks for your insight Nostrodamus. I really find it hard to believe you are a Texan fan, sounds like somebody is bitter because they are stuck w/Vick, and knows that Schaub is going to blowup against the birdbrains this season. By the way, are you mad we didn't trade Carr for Schaub to Atlanta? Sounds like you have some man-love things going on there.
I'm starting to think that that Gulf Syndrome is gettin to your brain bucko. I've been a Houston fan since 1984 when i was Luv'n my Blue fool. Where I live has nothing to do with who I root for. So please stop babbling and make an attempt to address and/or refute my point if you can.
If you want the numbers on Carr's career in college and Schaub's in college I'm be glad to provide it, not that it would matter cause of the hardon that you obviously get for Schaub. So it's whatever.
I don't care who QB's the Texans, Carr, Schaub, Rosenfelds or Zabransky. But the truth of the matter is simple. The teams hasn't yet gotten to a point where any of us as Texans fans should be overwhelmingly hyped about any season until we can go AT LEAST .500. So address that fact before we hold a parade for a dude that wasn't even good enough to dethrone Michael Vick of all people. One of the most inconsistent QBs in the league today. He took out a lame duck like Carr and you guys think he's the answer??? Yeah, good luck with that "logic".

[ThePoorSport]

your name fits you and we did upgrade the offensive line and wide receiver if you have paid attention.

If you think Jordan Black, Kevin Walters, Jacoby Jones and Andre Davis are upgrades you're in for one hellaciously long season.
Sue me if I'm a realist. But career third stringers and rookie WR projects don't make my blood rush.

[HOU-TEX]

ThePoorSport = A guy without sex

[TexansGrrl]

And I wish that people would stop talking about Schaub's college stats and such.
David Carr was a better college QB than Schaub ever was. So just **** stop. It's foolish, you know who else looked good in college? Ryan Leaf, Danny Wuerfful, and the **** Detmer brothers.
So save that commentary. Cause it's not even a comparison. We still have a failing offensive line and no second WR. Let's talk about that.

Now, I pulled the Passing stats for Schaub and Carr from their college archives. I don't know that Carr would have sold me just on his passing stats. He had one knock out year his senior year. But isn't the ACC a tougher division than the Western Athletic Conference?
Schaub PassingYearGAtt.Comp.Pct.Int.Yds.LPTDYPGEff. Pts.200038787.515012016.711520011224014058.3815246 310127118.6420021441828868.9729765928212.6147.4620 031140328169.71029526318268.4141.03Career401069716 71.12675026356156.18130.53Carr PassingYearGAtt.Comp.Pct.Int.Yds.LPTDYPGEff. Pts.20001131619461.41123387118212.5135.38200114533 34464.5948397946345.6165.91Career2584953862.952071 777964279.05150.65
So, riddle me that PoorSport... why would you take Carr over Schaub if you are looking at passing stats alone?

[Porky]

This is for the Schaub so-called "haters" out there (especially where I work). First, by default he will be better than Carr. It would take a disaster of epic proportions to at least not meet that standard by any means. But, beyond that. Let's go with the theory that he doesn't have a ton of experience, so how can we know!? That is true to an extent, but we have a lot of clues.

Look the guy is near 6' 6" with an nice overhand "classic" delivery. He will be one of the second or third tallest starting QB's in the league. How many passes do you think will get batted down compared to the 6' 3" QB with the "VY sidearm" delivery?

He had an excellent career at Viriginia using a similar system, and also was tutored in the same system for 3 years at Atlanta. He had excellent coaching all along the way, and hasn't had to take a beating to do it. His leadership abilities on and off the field are off the charts compared to Carr, and are an often overlooked attribute. His work ethic is off the charts compared to Carr.
He reminds me of, much as I hate the guy, Peyton in his work ethic and absolutely driven to be the best. He works hard with his receivers to develop that cohesion and rythem so during games he can deliver the ball in the best placement for YAC. You all know how AJ will love that big difference.

He has demonstrated during the times he has played that he can improvise, shuffle his feet and buy time, and has a much better feel for the rush than Carr. All in all, let's call it pocket presence. We will see plays this year that with Carr would have been a sack, and with Schaub will be a positve play. On top of that, during the times he has played that he can make every throw required in this offense. Not as strong armed as Carr, but has a better, more accurate, and more catchable intermediate and deep ball, as better touch and delivery on his short throws.

He also can actually find his receivers and TE's in the mid and deep middle. This in turn will keep the safety's honest, and allow more room for AJ and the RB's to roam.

Highly recommended by former teammates, and coaches. They already want him back, hilarious. Kubiak also knows QB talent as well as anyone, and you have to think he studied every throw the guy made in his college and pro career before pulling the trigger. Unless you think Kubiak doesn't have an eye for QB talent, the mere fact that he dumped Carr and picked up Schauab should certaintly tell you something. But the whole Carr extension thing last year as you all know was BM's decision, not really Kubes.


Hmmm. Where have I seen this before. [:S]
Oh ya, I know. Over at the Texanstalk board, where I wrote almost all of it myself.
Dude, I don't mind you using what I wrote. I consider it a complement, but please at least credit the original writer, and don't pretend that you wrote it. I might have to copyright my posts from now on if people are just going to steal them and present them as their own.
Copyright 2007 by Porky

[Battle-Red]

Just some points of interest here Carr played in the WAC, Schaub in the ACC(there is a competition level difference here). The top QB's in the 02 draft class 1st. Carr(#1), 2nd. Harrington(#3), 3rd. Ramsey(#32), 4th. J.McCown(#81), 5th. Gerrad(#108) andd the 04 draft class 1st. E.Manning(#1), 2nd. Rivers(#4), 3rd. Roethlisberger(#11), 4th. Losman(#22), 5th. Schaub(#90). Statistically theres a large gap between the talent of the 04 and 02 QB classes. Not to mention Schaub was injured(shoulder) his senior season and was projected mid first round and to be the 3rd or 4th QB taken, until the injury. And as far as dethroning Vick, theres other factors like Arthur Blank's man love(not unlike BM's for Carr), a 130 million dollar contract(thats just about impossible to move), removing the face of a franchise(not unlike Carr,#1QB picks are hard to let go, teams give them every possible chance to prove themselves), not to mention Vick's potential(seen in his hilight reel type abillities), and the sheer fact he put's *****E$ in seats($money$).
ACC-51 players drafted in 06, 31 players drafted in 07
WAC-5 players drafted in 06, 17 players drafted in 07

[BIG ERN]

And I wish that people would stop talking about Schaub's college stats and such.
David Carr was a better college QB than Schaub ever was. So just **** stop. It's foolish, you know who else looked good in college? Ryan Leaf, Danny Wuerfful, and the **** Detmer brothers.
So save that commentary. Cause it's not even a comparison. We still have a failing offensive line and no second WR. Let's talk about that.

Now, I pulled the Passing stats for Schaub and Carr from their college archives. I don't know that Carr would have sold me just on his passing stats. He had one knock out year his senior year. But isn't the ACC a tougher division than the Western Athletic Conference?
Schaub PassingYearGAtt.Comp.Pct.Int.Yds.LPTDYPGEff. Pts.200038787.515012016.711520011224014058.3815246 310127118.6420021441828868.9729765928212.6147.4620 031140328169.71029526318268.4141.03Career401069716 71.12675026356156.18130.53Carr PassingYearGAtt.Comp.Pct.Int.Yds.LPTDYPGEff. Pts.20001131619461.41123387118212.5135.38200114533 34464.5948397946345.6165.91Career2584953862.952071 777964279.05150.65
So, riddle me that PoorSport... why would you take Carr over Schaub if you are looking at passing stats alone?



I hate to do this. Kubiak is such a great judge of talent that we pass on VY and give Carr an extension.I know that you guys might try to blame that move on someone else but ultimatley the call was his to make.The Texans have not been a great judge of talent thus far but atleast Kubiak shows sighns of greatness.I keep havig to answer the question "Who the hell is Matt Schuab???" and I know over time the trade will work out in our favor.GIVE THEM MAN SOME PROTECTION AND SOME DECENT WIDE RECIEVERS!

[BATTL3_R3D]

Sage will have a better shot at showing if he is as good as he was thought to be last year. I was happy we got him as I felt he was the best back-up we've had. With the Iron man gone, he will get a chance to prove it this year. Not that I feel, he will be picked over the Schaub... but the play of the O-line will give him the chance to fill in for the hurt the Schaub will get in the "protected" pocket.


The odds of Sage still being here next year are slim. The guy has never beaten out any QB to win a starters spot in the NFL. Guys like AJ Feeley(sp) beat the guy out. It was just simple last year, Carr sucked so when Sage played the D wasn't ready for him...and anything looks better than Carr at the time he played.

Sage averages 3yrs per team, then gets cut...we drafted jarod for a reason...#2 next year and Sage getting a pink slip. Wait and see.

[El Tejano]

I just hope the running game does great.

[Zagen30]

And I wish that people would stop talking about Schaub's college stats and such.
David Carr was a better college QB than Schaub ever was. So just **** stop. It's foolish, you know who else looked good in college? Ryan Leaf, Danny Wuerfful, and the **** Detmer brothers.
So save that commentary. Cause it's not even a comparison. We still have a failing offensive line and no second WR. Let's talk about that.

That O-line is not nearly as PHAILINGS as you think. We gave up 43 sacks, a 25 sack decrease from the previous year, with a QB who couldn't get rid of the ball if his first read wasn't open, plus losing our starting tackles and center. Even if we have injuries again, I am confident that our line will work at least decently. And even if no one steps up as a #2 WR, we still have Daniels and Putzier to throw to (and Kubiak said he'll get both of our TEs more involved this year, probably because he trusts his QB now).

[The Pencil Neck]

Sage averages 3yrs per team, then gets cut...we drafted jarod for a reason...#2 next year and Sage getting a pink slip. Wait and see.

Um.
Hate to point this out to you but we didn't draft Jared Zabransky. We signed him as an undrafted free agent.

[BATTL3_R3D]

Um.Hate to point this out to you but we didn't draft Jared Zabransky. We signed him as an undrafted free agent.


Yea, i know...it was a typo. But, point being Sage won't be around much longer. Why bring in Matt and grab a young QB if your happy with the position?
Matt was brought into start.
Zabransky was brought into groom should Matt fail, and if not...to be a back up.

Add that up, Sage may now exit.

[ObsiWan]

Sage stays this year.. It'll be Van Pelt and/or Q. Porter who goes. Zabransky takes Porter's place on the practice/developmental squad for 2007.

[ObsiWan]

The truth of the matter is they ARE upgrades. That speaks to the state Casserly left this team in. Salaam can play pretty decent tackle (he's not Jonathan Ogden but who is?) but at his age he can't carry the load all year. Black is a step up for anyone we had outside of Salaam and I figure they're about even. But if Spencer makes it back like he thinks he can (and is effective like he was last year) neither Black nor Salaam really matter except to give Big Nasty an occasional rest.
-- Speaking of OLinemen, watch that Tupolo kid. He started all 4 yrs at Utah. He was all conference his Jr & Sr. years. OBTW, during his Sr. year the Utah O-line only gave up 12 sacks total. He and Darius Walker may end up being the steals of the draft.
WRs Jones and Davis are more deep threats than the past-his-prime Moulds was last year. And if we have guys with the speed to stretch the defense that gives Andre room to roam underneath. Walters will probably be a possession guy to keep the chains moving. Refresh my memory, who was in that role last year? I don't remember either. Having nothing to having something is an upgrade.
Having said all that, I, too, recommend caution. I do think Schaub is an upgrade over Carr, if for no other reason but his better attitude. That should result in improved team chemistry which has to help team performance.
Could they have gotten the same team chemistry from Rosenfels? Maybe.
My question is: Is Schaub two players better than Rosenfels? I doubt it. Yeah, we gave up two players, one this year (who could have been the FS or OL we needed) and one next year (who knows what that'll be), to allow Schaub to start instead of Rosenfels. He **** well better be good. For two players, he better be REAL good.

[Footballz]

Schaub is to Carr , What Joe Montana is to Quincy Carter
Agreed, The NFL is going to be shell shocked when the Texans take the division away from Indy this year. That's right..playoffs baby! Hey where'd I put my glass of battle red kool aide?


Find your Koolaid so you can take your medication.

[Footballz]

I just hope the running game does great.


We can only hope. Time will tell.

[Whiskeyrbl]

Thanks for your insight Nostrodamus. I really find it hard to believe you are a Texan fan, sounds like somebody is bitter because they are stuck w/Vick, and knows that Schaub is going to blowup against the birdbrains this season. By the way, are you mad we didn't trade Carr for Schaub to Atlanta? Sounds like you have some man-love things going on there.
I've been a Houston fan since 1984 when i was Luv'n my Blue fool. Where I live has nothing to do with who I root for. So please stop babbling and make an attempt to address and/or refute my point if you can. So address that fact before we hold a parade for a dude that wasn't even good enough to dethrone Michael Vick of all people.
First off I was a fan of the Oilers since !969, yea back in '70 & '71 when they went 1-13 back to back, and that has absolutely nothing to do with this team. And by the way it was not Vick the person he could'nt dethrone it was that $170 millon on his contract!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HomeBred_Texan]

Geee, sure is allot of babbling going on before the guy has even taken a snap... I am not on the bandwagon nor am I off of it. I am taking the wait and see approach to this whole situation. Not one of us, not even the Coaches knows how this is going to turn out.As far as taking the division, oh my... I would hope for 2nd in the division first before I put that horse and buggy out there.I do not see a .500 season this year and do not expect it. Too many changes so far to be in that category.So instead of arguing how Matt is the next Montana, why don't we take the wait and see approach? If he fails and we don't have a 2nd round pick next year, you guys will want his head, if he is a box of cracker jacks and all that, we don't need a 2nd rounder next year. But I want to see something different for sure. When I can sit back and watch the game and call the plays myself, that get's old. If I can figure out the next play will be a dump pass to the RB, you know the other teams D can too....

[HydrOshocK]

I originally posted this in another thread before I read this one. But it fits so I'm going to double post. sorry
Outside of the dumps, short outs, come backs, and occasional lucky jump ball, our passing game over the past few yrs hasn't been anything to be overly excited about.
As for Schaub....compare him to whoever you want but if you are looking for a good idea of the potential he has just watch the Falcons/Patriots game film. His #s weren't spectacular but keep in mind he was playing one of the top 5 teams in the league, that happens to be coached by a guy famous for disguising his defenses and getting in the heads of great QBs such as Peyton Manning (not saying Schaub is a great QB yet, just saying he didn't get rattled). You can find the official stat sheet and game break down below.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20051009_NE@ATL (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20051009_NE@ATL)
http://www.atlantafalcons.com/gameday/archive.jsp?gameId=34 (http://www.atlantafalcons.com/gameday/archive.jsp?gameId=34)
Now compare that to Carr's game against the Patriots last yr and you'll see why it's easy to get excited about our new QB. Pay close attention to our receiving yards. AJ had 5 catches in the game for a measly 28 yards. The longest pass in the game was for 27 yards....that's just sad. Not to mention the 4 INTs
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061217_HOU@NE (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20061217_HOU@NE)
http://www.houstontexans.com/gameday/GameBox.asp?game_id=426137 (http://www.houstontexans.com/gameday/GameBox.asp?game_id=426137)
I can't speak for the rest of you guys but I'll take the unproven backup. Now poor me some koolaid please.

[rex king]

Hmmm. Where have I seen this before. [:S]
Oh ya, I know. Over at the Texanstalk board, where I wrote almost all of it myself.
Dude, I don't mind you using what I wrote. I consider it a complement, but please at least credit the original writer, and don't pretend that you wrote it. I might have to copyright my posts from now on if people are just going to steal them and present them as their own.
Copyright 2007 by Porky


Curious. This guy did the same thing with one of my posts from the other board. I was willing to let it go if he just honored my request to delete the post, which he did, but...dude, this plagiarism has just got to stop. Again, flattering, but this will get you nowhere quick.