Matt Schaub vs. Sage Rosenfels

[TheReaver]

Alright I am seriously tired of the Sage lovers so here is the savior's wins/losses in games where he got most of the snaps in the last 2 years:

2007:
Week 7: Loss to TEN- Rosenfels dueled the fighting Bironas'. Good game for Sage.

Week 8: Loss to SD- We got absolutely crushed. Sage went 17-27, 176 yards, 1 TD 2 INT

Week 9: Win vs. OAK- Oooo beat Oakland. Sage was 11-19, 181 yards, 1 TD 1 INT.

Week 13: Loss to TEN- Rosenfels was 17-30, 185 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT.

Week 14: Win vs. TB- Good win. Sage was 27-36, 209 yards, 3 TDs 0 INT

Week 15: Win vs. DEN- Denver was a sub .500 team and not particulary good vs. the run. We ran all over them while Sage was 16-27, 200 yards, 1 TD 1 INT. A decent game for Sage.

Week 16: Loss to IND- Got crushed. Sage was 22-36, 233 yards, 2 TD 3 INT

Week 17: Win vs. Jax- Jax had their entire second string in the game and was getting ready for the play-offs.

2008:

Week 5: Loss to IND- Texans play a great team game for about 55 minutes, then Sage single handedly loses the game.

So to re-cap:

Sage is 4-5 in games where he got a majority of the snaps. Say you take out the Bironas game since he did not start it and he is 4-4. Of his 4 wins the TB win is the ONLY quality win. Maybe the DEN game, but they were sub .500. This is the messiah who will save us from the tyrrany of the Schaubby times eh.

[TheReaver]

I'm not saying Rosenfels is garbage, but those of you calling him a "winner" and that's all that matters need to look at some stats. He is a capable back-up and we have a potential star in Schaub, we just need an extended period of time with him healthy to judge.

[NCSFS42]

I remember the matt schaub who came out and beat a team we should have beat in Kansas City, beat the Panthers, and was on fire coming out with Andre Johnson healthy. He had a poor performence against the steelers and titans, but a solid performence against the jags despite the loss. He is a game manager, and he gives us a chance to win plus he is able to move the ball down the field when the game is on the line (despite losing, he did do it to put us in OT versus the jags). Our team is built to have a solid running game, and a solid defense. We need a quarterback who makes smart throws and doesn't try to do too much and that is Schaub.

With that said, Schaub has the rest of this season to prove he is capable of leading us deep into the playoffs by getting quality wins over our division opponents, and leading us to a winning record due to his play. Quarterback play has been the most suspect this season thusfar followed by defensive back play coming in at a close second.

---If we take a step back, and schaub has a mediocre to poor season, we use our first round pick on a quarterback and have an open competition going into next season. Young quarterbacks can win in this league, don't believe me?

Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, etc.

The difference between us putting in a young qb now as opposed to how we ruined carr is now the quarterback would be put in a situation where he has talent around him and a defense to support him. Look at the steelers with roethlisberger, he wasnt that great of a qb, its the fact that he came into a good situation and won the first 12 games he started (check that stat, im close though) and went to the AFC championship

---If Schaub plays decent enough and say we go 8-8, I say we draft a quarterback in the second or third round, especially with how deep qb will be due to all these qbs coming out of the big 12 and how deep the class will be on an overall standpoint.

---If Schaub lights it up and we go 11-5 or 10-6 or even 9-7, but it is based off of improved play from schaub, keep him obviously but still draft a quarterback at least by the 4th round. Outside of defensive backs, there really isnt a glaring need anywhere on our team other than depth. This will be the best quarterback class ever to come out of college, lets get our prospect. Have the two qb system like weve been doing and have our rookie learn under schaub kind of like cutler did with plummer. it solves two things:
-Encourages Schaub to work harder and know that we won't be satisfied with poor qb play
-Gives us a backup qb
-Gives us a quarterback for the future and eliminates a "rebuilding" period which is the last thing the fans want to see after our short stint experience weve already had



Now what to do with rosenfels: We should have traded him this past off season and just grabbed another backup qb in the league. We could have gotten great value especially by sending him to the vikings. Put him on the trade block this offseason and if nothing is offered than release him or keep him around as a 2nd string and carry 3 quarterbacks. He might be a solid starter for some team but he is not the starter to carry us to a super bowl. Is schaub? prob not, but more likely than rosenfels just because he can manage a game, rosenfels cannot.

[HuttoKarl]

In Schaub We Trust.

[TheReaver]

Where are all the Sage lovers to argue with the stats. Come on someone has to come in here and say, "well that's not fair you aren't looking at (x)". Suppose it's hard to argue with facts but still people do so on boards all the time.

[jaffatex23]

Alright I am seriously tired of the Sage lovers so here is the savior's wins/losses in games where he got most of the snaps in the last 2 years:

2007:
Week 7: Loss to TEN- Rosenfels dueled the fighting Bironas'. Good game for Sage.

Week 8: Loss to SD- We got absolutely crushed. Sage went 17-27, 176 yards, 1 TD 2 INT

Week 9: Win vs. OAK- Oooo beat Oakland. Sage was 11-19, 181 yards, 1 TD 1 INT.

Week 13: Loss to TEN- Rosenfels was 17-30, 185 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT.

Week 14: Win vs. TB- Good win. Sage was 27-36, 209 yards, 3 TDs 0 INT

Week 15: Win vs. DEN- Denver was a sub .500 team and not particulary good vs. the run. We ran all over them while Sage was 16-27, 200 yards, 1 TD 1 INT. A decent game for Sage.

Week 16: Loss to IND- Got crushed. Sage was 22-36, 233 yards, 2 TD 3 INT

Week 17: Win vs. Jax- Jax had their entire second string in the game and was getting ready for the play-offs.

2008:

Week 5: Loss to IND- Texans play a great team game for about 55 minutes, then Sage single handedly loses the game.

So to re-cap:

Sage is 4-5 in games where he got a majority of the snaps. Say you take out the Bironas game since he did not start it and he is 4-4. Of his 4 wins the TB win is the ONLY quality win. Maybe the DEN game, but they were sub .500. This is the messiah who will save us from the tyrrany of the Schaubby times eh.

You say in these games where he got the majority of the snaps. Well, he was down in all those games he entered and had to force it a ton to get the team back in the game. That includes 2 games against Tennessee, and the game against the Chargers.

How can you not say that Sunday's first 56 minutes were not some of the best QB play in Texan's franchise history. Sure, we all know it's a 60 minute game but you have to hand it to him. He made a ton of big plays to help his team to 27 unanswered points.

[TheReaver]

In the second Tennessee game Schaub was 3-5 for 35 yards no ints, fail to see how bad Sage had it there when he came in. I admitted that the first Tennessee game was a good game for him. The argument I keep hearing for Sage is he is a winner, and the facts don't support that at all. Scoring 27 unanswered is good and all but Indy's D is TERRIBLE w/out Sanders. They always have been. Schaub played just as well against a far superior Jacksonville defensive squad. (not that they are super, but certainly better than a team who gets killed by the Bears O...and that was with Sanders)

[3andOUT]

You say in these games where he got the majority of the snaps. Well, he was down in all those games he entered and had to force it a ton to get the team back in the game. That includes 2 games against Tennessee, and the game against the Chargers.

How can you not say that Sunday's first 56 minutes were not some of the best QB play in Texan's franchise history. Sure, we all know it's a 60 minute game but you have to hand it to him. He made a ton of big plays to help his team to 27 unanswered points.

I don't know how you people are even arguing that Sage played great. There's no question about that, but it's a shameful fact that his great play (maybe the greatest ever by a QB in a Texan's uni) will undoubtably be overshadowed by those bone-headed decisions.

There's no question that when he's under center, the offense moves. But there's also no question that at times he tries to do way too much. When you're losing, it's okay to try and do way too much, but when you're nursing a double-digit lead, your job is to NOT LOSE THE GAME. NOT try and win the game.

He has always played like he's trying to bring us back, and that's been a good thing because of how we've well.......been behind a whole lot. Sage's biggest knock has always been his decision making and that can cost you wins a whole lot in the NFL

[Matt_in_KW]

In Schaub We Trust.

TRUE WORDS! Ths is not a contest, Sage cracks under pressure...Matt rebounds from small and big mistakes. Look at 3 weeks ago now...he stunk up the place...following week he plays great(putting the week before behind him) and pulls us on his back to OT. Sage is up by 17, and chokes and then chokes 2 more times.

[Porkchop]

Let's just wait until the Titans release Vince Young and bring him on. He will shine in Houston!

[3andOUT]

Let's just wait until the Titans release Vince Young and bring him on. He will shine in Houston!

Really?

[Vitruvian]

Schaub is the best fit for us. I will say again that if Sage was capable to be the starter we would not have traded for Matt in the first place. VY to Houston? I hope not.

[Grams]

Let's just wait until the Titans release Vince Young and bring him on. He will shine in Houston!

Maybe sitting in the stands.

[petedy]

I am wondering who was qb on the other 3 games before Sage played in this one? Oand Four falls on the coach and his staff. Schaub had one good game and they still lost. For all the money Schaub gets how many games has he missed?

[dbruder44]

Let's just wait until the Titans release Vince Young and bring him on. He will shine in Houston!

Shine my shoes maybe, hey we may need a 4th WR/ slash guy if he plays for the vet min.

[BIG ERN]

Alex Brink is a stud

[spurstexanstros]

David Carr..... Hey you cant have a qb discussion without mentioning him in the thread...or is this gonna get relegated to the all carr thread.... If schaub or Sage leaves will they have a dedicated thread?

[Schaub2Andre4TD]

Thanks a lot for the information. Everyone points out Sage's W-L (as if a QB is solely responsible for team wins anyway :rolleyes:), but I wanted to investigate the games themselves, specifically the teams we played.

The whole "SAGE ROSENFELS WINS FOOTBALL GAMES!" claim by the Sage lovers simply is inaccurate, and these FACTS you posted support what I'm saying.

[TheReaver]

I am wondering who was qb on the other 3 games before Sage played in this one? Oand Four falls on the coach and his staff. Schaub had one good game and they still lost. For all the money Schaub gets how many games has he missed?

We played three very good teams before this week. Look honestly before the season the only one of these first four games I penciled in as a win was Baltimore. This thread isn't to say "to hell with Rosenfels". It's to point out that all those calling for Sage and saying how he got us to 8-8 last year cause he is a winner are misguided and simply wrong. Maybe I will write up a similar thread with Schaub games that he took most of the snaps. Guess what...it looks almost the same as Rosenfels except Rosenfels is a bonehead with a weak arm.

[Matt_in_KW]

We played three very good teams before this week. Look honestly before the season the only one of these first four games I penciled in as a win was Baltimore. This thread isn't to say "to hell with Rosenfels". It's to point out that all those calling for Sage and saying how he got us to 8-8 last year cause he is a winner are misguided and simply wrong. Maybe I will write up a similar thread with Schaub games that he took most of the snaps. Guess what...it looks almost the same as Rosenfels except Rosenfels is a bonehead with a weak arm.

LOL...your 100% right. And SAGE is Mr. Glass...cracks under pressure9unless he had cash on the game).

[theCATALYST]

I am of the realization that perhaps they should alternate quarters. They are equals in stengths/weaknesses.....I say let em both play..

[Matt_in_KW]

I am of the realization that perhaps they should alternate quarters. They are equals in stengths/weaknesses.....I say let em both play..

I just said the same in another thread. EXCEPT I say alternate halfs. Then if one really screws up...he is #2. If neither screws up, keep playing both. And script the game to each ones strengths for whatever half they play. It would keep D's off balance, and hey I have seen it (as many of you have) in Coll...and it works.

[theCATALYST]

I just said the same in another thread. EXCEPT I say alternate halfs. Then if one really screws up...he is #2. If neither screws up, keep playing both. And script the game to each ones strengths for whatever half they play. It would keep D's off balance, and hey I have seen it (as many of you have) in Coll...and it works.


Not to mention Kubes is a QB guy. He and Shannahan should be able to put scheme together tailor made to both QB's strengths.