How has Management done?

[Wolf123]

Talent here before Kubiak and Smith
Offensive-Pitts, Andre,
Defensive-Dunta

Talen here now!
Offensive-Schaub,kevin walter,owen daniels,eric winston,duane brown,slaton,
Defensive-Dunta,ryans,mario,amobi okoye,fred bennett,

2006 draft
mario-elite
ryans-elite
Charles spencer-Stupid RON DAYNE!
eric winston-great RT
owen daniels-over average TE
wali lundy-Out of league
david anderson-Solid Receiver

2007 draft
Amobi okoye-above average player with huge upside
Schaub
Jacoby jones-playmaker with head problems
fred bennett-above average CB
Brandon harrison-depth at safety, can't stay healthy
kasey studdard-depth, probably never more then average
zach diles-average player who could develope into a solid player

2008
Duane brown-off to a good start, with big upside
Steve slaton-Starting RB and very promiseing future
antwan molden-average player with big potential
Adibi-shown nothing
frank okam-rotation player with potential
myers-best center yet
alex brink-practice squad

Now I know everyone is upset at being 0-4 and I am too, but when you go back and look at the talent kubiak enherited its amazeing we ever won a game. He's taken a team with almost no talent and not only ha a bunch of players other people covet but also quality depth that could develope. How many times in the past could we honestly say we had quality depth that had potential?

[TEXANSWILDBILL]

You know what. I love this post. This is exactly correct. For a long time I can remember not having any depth at all. I really enjoyed seeing the players Kubes has brought in. I hope there are more defensive players in the future with the same caliber as the offensive players. The offense has just been great to watch.

[Wolf123]

You know what. I love this post. This is exactly correct. For a long time I can remember not having any depth at all. I really enjoyed seeing the players Kubes has brought in. I hope there are more defensive players in the future with the same caliber as the offensive players. The offense has just been great to watch.

I think this offseason your going to see the team address the defense heavily!

[zanth91]

*nevermind

[SAMURAITEXAN]

Thanks Wolf for this thread. I do too like what Kubiak & Co has done. I'm disappointed with 0-4 start however, I'm enjoying watching our offense. And yes, I agree with you about the defense.

GO TEXANS!!

[Whiskeyrbl]

Nice point Wolf. Even though I am disappointed in the 0-4 start, the talent and depth on this team is the best it has ever been.

[taylor90]

ryans and mario were drafted before kubes showed up i believe

[taylor90]

and bennett...somehow lost his starting job to petey faggins

[Wolf123]

ryans and mario were drafted before kubes showed up i believe

No they were drafted after kubes was hired

[taylor90]

oh, i stand corrected.

[valhalla17]

Thanks Wolf123 for a great thread and for reminding us that Kubes/Smith inherited essentially nothing, from the first regime, and have done a good job trying to build a football team. The future is still bright, we are basically in the "Expansion 2 era" but I think the 2nd regime at least has a plan and an idea of how to build a team.

[Wolf123]

Thanks Wolf123 for a great thread and for reminding us that Kubes/Smith inherited essentially nothing, from the first regime, and have done a good job trying to build a football team. The future is still bright, we are basically in the "Expansion 2 era" but I think the 2nd regime at least has a plan and an idea of how to build a team.

Whenever you get really depressed about the bad luck this season, go back to NFL.com and check out our 04 and 05 highlights!! After watching those I thank god for Kubiak/smith!!

[valhalla17]

Whenever you get really depressed about the bad luck this season, go back to NFL.com and check out our 04 and 05 highlights!! After watching those I thank god for Kubiak/smith!!
LOL, yep I'm with ya. It's gotten better and will continue to do so.

[Big Green]

Talent here before Kubiak and Smith
Offensive-Pitts, Andre,
Defensive-Dunta

Talen here now!
Offensive-Schaub,kevin walter,owen daniels,eric winston,duane brown,slaton,
Defensive-Dunta,ryans,mario,amobi okoye,fred bennett,

2006 draft
mario-elite
ryans-elite
Charles spencer-Stupid RON DAYNE!
eric winston-great RT
owen daniels-over average TE
wali lundy-Out of league
david anderson-Solid Receiver

2007 draft
Amobi okoye-above average player with huge upside
Schaub
Jacoby jones-playmaker with head problems
fred bennett-above average CB
Brandon harrison-depth at safety, can't stay healthy
kasey studdard-depth, probably never more then average
zach diles-average player who could develope into a solid player

2008
Duane brown-off to a good start, with big upside
Steve slaton-Starting RB and very promiseing future
antwan molden-average player with big potential
Adibi-shown nothing
frank okam-rotation player with potential
myers-best center yet
alex brink-practice squad

Now I know everyone is upset at being 0-4 and I am too, but when you go back and look at the talent kubiak enherited its amazeing we ever won a game. He's taken a team with almost no talent and not only ha a bunch of players other people covet but also quality depth that could develope. How many times in the past could we honestly say we had quality depth that had potential?

I disagree with a couple of your points but will admit that the Texans SEEM to be better than what their record suggests. Here's where we disagree:

Charles Spencer- was a up and coming player. He easily is was one of our best run blockers and had mean streak to go with his size.

Fred Bennett- above average for the Texans, average for the NFL.

I would love to give management its props but I can't without acknowledging their poofs.

They poofed with bringing in far to many players who get cut from other teams- J. Reeves, M. Greenwood, A. Weaver etc.

They poof with game management i.e. Titans, Jacksonville & Indy games. Those were games we could have won.

Personnel decisions- Sage vs Schaub, J. Reeves keeps his job, Peetey and Bennett have a cb controversy (go figure). Keeping a defensive coordinator who gives up 30 points a game.

I thought the Texans would only be 1-4 at this juncture, but it is how we get to 0-4 thats upsetting.

[Otisbean]

Weaver, Greenwood (both Casserly's fault) and Reeves were FA not cut by other teams. You could argue that Dallas didn't want Reeves back, but he didn't fit their scheme either. Our FO has done a pretty good job considering what they had to work with, ie bad salary cap situation from CC, a lack of talent on the roster from CC, and the fact they had to do something at QB. Also, don't forget we had to transition from the 3-4 -although this is probably minor.

Another thing to consider, the only way we are going to get FAs to come here is buying dropping big $$$ on them. Players leave their current teams for one of four reasons - 1. Money 2. increased PT 3. trying to play for a winner 4. they are older and expensive and get cut to save money. Until we get better on the field guys aren't going to be lining up to sign here so there goes #3. This leaves us with having to pay big $$$, looking for a second string guy that is ready to start -which is a bit of a crap shoot but at this point our best choice, or grabbing an older guy that was phased out due to high salary - see Green.

This is why so many teams try to build through the draft now. I think we have done well in the draft so far. It would have been great to have those 2 2nd rounders back but I am not sure what we would have done at QB. I love Sage as a back up, but he is very TO prone. Even in his wins last year he would make several passes that should have been picked and we were fortunate they weren't. As last Sun shows TOs will kill you. I think Matt will end up being worth the two picks in the long run and I really believe next season in the year we make the big jump as this off season we should have some $$$ for FA and we have a full compliment of picks. I hate to put things off til next year but IMO we still don't have enough talent on both sides of the ball yet and you can only make so many changes in one off season.

GO TEXANS!

[texan3742]

I think this offseason your going to see the team address the defense heavily!

We need to change the D Coordinator first!!! Then, we can address the talent issue. I do like how the talent is improving. I really like the depth that we have added. However, some of that depth will always be back ups. Now, we really need to bring in starting talent on both sides of the ball...

[Big Green]

Weaver, Greenwood (both Casserly's fault) and Reeves were FA not cut by other teams. You could argue that Dallas didn't want Reeves back, but he didn't fit their scheme either. Our FO has done a pretty good job considering what they had to work with, ie bad salary cap situation from CC, a lack of talent on the roster from CC, and the fact they had to do something at QB. Also, don't forget we had to transition from the 3-4 -although this is probably minor.

Another thing to consider, the only way we are going to get FAs to come here is buying dropping big $$$ on them. Players leave their current teams for one of four reasons - 1. Money 2. increased PT 3. trying to play for a winner 4. they are older and expensive and get cut to save money. Until we get better on the field guys aren't going to be lining up to sign here so there goes #3. This leaves us with having to pay big $$$, looking for a second string guy that is ready to start -which is a bit of a crap shoot but at this point our best choice, or grabbing an older guy that was phased out due to high salary - see Green.

This is why so many teams try to build through the draft now. I think we have done well in the draft so far. It would have been great to have those 2 2nd rounders back but I am not sure what we would have done at QB. I love Sage as a back up, but he is very TO prone. Even in his wins last year he would make several passes that should have been picked and we were fortunate they weren't. As last Sun shows TOs will kill you. I think Matt will end up being worth the two picks in the long run and I really believe next season in the year we make the big jump as this off season we should have some $$$ for FA and we have a full compliment of picks. I hate to put things off til next year but IMO we still don't have enough talent on both sides of the ball yet and you can only make so many changes in one off season.

GO TEXANS! I beg to differ bro. Here is where we disagree:

Reeves, Greenwood, Weaver were not cut BUT they were not re-signed by their respective teams. Technically they were not cut, but to not be brought back to your team via re-signing... You got cut.

My dad is a BIG TIME Cowboy fan so I watched alot of Cowboys games last year and Reeves got beat ALOT. It had nothing to do with the scheme. Reeves has never been a cover corner.

I do fault Kubiak for Greenwood and Weaver and other unproductive "older players". They were not his picks but he continued to play them over Bulman, Cochran and other young players. C.C. Brown, T. Johnson have never produced, but the coach still plays them.

The Texans are really not in a bad salary-cap situation... They have money to spend, they just don't spend it on very good players.

You can get good players to come here through player "recruiting" and scouting. The Texans need to quit going with system players and start targeting FOOTBALL player. Trade and open talks with all NFL teams not just the Packers or Broncos.

I agree with you with your last sentence wholeheartedly.

[Wolf123]

I beg to differ bro. Here is where we disagree:

Reeves, Greenwood, Weaver were not cut BUT they were not re-signed by their respective teams. Technically they were not cut, but to not be brought back to your team via re-signing... You got cut.

My dad is a BIG TIME Cowboy fan so I watched alot of Cowboys games last year and Reeves got beat ALOT. It had nothing to do with the scheme. Reeves has never been a cover corner.

I do fault Kubiak for Greenwood and Weaver and other unproductive "older players". They were not his picks but he continued to play them over Bulman, Cochran and other young players. C.C. Brown, T. Johnson have never produced, but the coach still plays them.

The Texans are really not in a bad salary-cap situation... They have money to spend, they just don't spend it on very good players.

You can get good players to come here through player "recruiting" and scouting. The Texans need to quit going with system players and start targeting FOOTBALL player. Trade and open talks with all NFL teams not just the Packers or Broncos.

I agree with you with your last sentence wholeheartedly.

Alot of teams don't resign players and it has nothing to do with there talent level. I don't see why everyone is killing the reeves signing, sure he's struggled but we didn't pay him much money and the signing was to cover us with the dunta situation.

Travis and CC both had good years last year. We have zero talent behind them who do you want to play?

Texans have been in cap hell from the CC Era! This is the first season that the texans will actually have cap space.

[Big Green]

Alot of teams don't resign players and it has nothing to do with there talent level. I don't see why everyone is killing the reeves signing, sure he's struggled but we didn't pay him much money and the signing was to cover us with the dunta situation.

Travis and CC both had good years last year. We have zero talent behind them who do you want to play?

Texans have been in cap hell from the CC Era! This is the first season that the texans will actually have cap space. When you have talent on your team you re-sign them. J. Reeves was not a salary cap issue with the Cowboys, he just wasn't good. Nothing more nothing less.

Lastly on Reeves... For what you are getting or not getting from J. Reeves you could have easily just started rookie A. Molden. One more thing... Do you ever wonder why QB's pick on Reeves???

Travis was and has always been injury prone... never had a double digit sack season. Brown has never had a 5 int. season. Why would you say they were good last year?

[RockNRoll!]

what are these houston texans you speak of?

Signed,
free agency



I know we have been burned in free agency in the past, but that was in the casserly era. I think rick smith needs to take more chances in free agency. the dolphins, falcons, jets, and panthers were all terrible last yr but are now successful because they added various free agents to bolster their clubs. why cant the texans turn things around like that?

[Big Green]

what are these houston texans you speak of?

Signed,
free agency



I know we have been burned in free agency in the past, but that was in the casserly era. I think rick smith needs to take more chances in free agency. the dolphins, falcons, jets, and panthers were all terrible last yr but are now successful because they added various free agents to bolster their clubs. why cant the texans turn things around like that? As long as Texans believe we are still sputtering because of the CC era you will always come away dissappointed.

There are only 4 Texans left from the CC era. Its funny how when we were 8-8 you credited GK, now that we are struggling all blame points to CC.

[ThisIsTheYear]

"know we have been burned in free agency in the past, but that was in the casserly era. I think rick smith needs to take more chances in free agency. the dolphins, falcons, jets, and panthers were all terrible last yr but are now successful because they added various free agents to bolster their clubs. why cant the texans turn things around like that?"

The answer to that is pretty simple. The Dolphins have not turned it around. They were just so horrible last year that 2 wins is considered improvement. At the end of the year our records will be very similar. The Falcons had the #1 pick in the draft which tends to improve any team. The Jets got a HOF QB and the panthers just had a down year last year.

On a side note I found this hilarious spoof of PTI I thought yall would enjoy
http://www.digitalfuntown.com/videos/90

[Otisbean]

I beg to differ bro. Here is where we disagree:

Reeves, Greenwood, Weaver were not cut BUT they were not re-signed by their respective teams. Technically they were not cut, but to not be brought back to your team via re-signing... You got cut.

My dad is a BIG TIME Cowboy fan so I watched alot of Cowboys games last year and Reeves got beat ALOT. It had nothing to do with the scheme. Reeves has never been a cover corner.

I do fault Kubiak for Greenwood and Weaver and other unproductive "older players". They were not his picks but he continued to play them over Bulman, Cochran and other young players. C.C. Brown, T. Johnson have never produced, but the coach still plays them.

The Texans are really not in a bad salary-cap situation... They have money to spend, they just don't spend it on very good players.

You can get good players to come here through player "recruiting" and scouting. The Texans need to quit going with system players and start targeting FOOTBALL player. Trade and open talks with all NFL teams not just the Packers or Broncos.

I agree with you with your last sentence wholeheartedly.

Well, I don't remember if we just out bid there former teams or not, I know we are paying Greenwood and Weaver a ton of cash so we may have outbid them. Reeves is a conundrum, he get excellent position on is man but he CANNOT find the ball, it's very frustrating. I know the Cowboys didn't want him back, but I also remember Kubiak saying we run a different system then the boys and they thought he was better suited for what we run. Don't get me wrong, I didn't love the signing.

The Texans have been in a pretty bad cap situation and I believe this is the first year we won't have a bunch of dead money. I am sure some more internet savvy then I am can pull up the numbers.

I am not sure recruiting is enough. Every year in every sport it seems like players really tend to move for two basic reasons - money and a chance to play for a winner. I hope you are right and we can recruit some talent this offseason.

Now on Kubiak and playing Greenwood and Weaver, I agree on Weaver I think others should be given a shot, especially Bulman after to day, but with Greenwood I am not sure we have much else behind him. Bently and Thompson are more SLB/MLBs, and I would still like to see Thompson at DE in passing situations.

[Otisbean]

As long as Texans believe we are still sputtering because of the CC era you will always come away dissappointed.

There are only 4 Texans left from the CC era. Its funny how when we were 8-8 you credited GK, now that we are struggling all blame points to CC.

Based on my other posts I don't want to make it sound like I am blaming CC, but GK did inherit a bad roster with a bad cap situation. No question this made it harder to add talent in a timely fashion. Overall I think GK has done OK, but I think there has to be some patience as he is still a new HC. Usually the only new HCs that dont' struggle a little are the ones lucky enough to inherit a really good team, see Tomlin in Pitts. He seems like a great coach but no question he is starting with a whole lot more talent then GK. Hopefully this win is a turning point for us and we can get back on track.

Peace