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Olajuwon
05-18-2007, 12:28 AM
I understand we're going forward...and I dont know what went on behind closed doors but with a new QB and RB....I STILL think Moulds coulda added valuable leadership to the receiving corps of the team and made a significant contribution on the field.....PLUS...he's better than any #2 WR we have on the roster.

Zacatecas
05-18-2007, 12:48 AM
Agreed, Moulds seemed like a good player. He had a stellar career in Buffalo. I think that the Texans most definatley could have used him. Too bad!

Hopefully the coaching staff know what they are doing. Kevin Walters as the number 2 guy seems kind of iffy to me.

CloakNNNDagger
05-18-2007, 12:56 AM
I understand we're going forward...and I dont know what went on behind closed doors but with a new QB and RB....I STILL think Moulds coulda added valuable leadership to the receiving corps of the team and made a significant contribution on the field.....PLUS...he's better than any #2 WR we have on the roster.
Not withstanding the possible "behind the scenes" factor(s), this article can shed light on what the Texans were having to balance out when they made their decision. http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2007/05/bills-ericmoulds-shouldnthappen100507.html (http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2007/05/bills-ericmoulds-shouldnthappen100507.html)

sleepwalker
05-18-2007, 12:59 AM
It's time for Kevin Walter to step up big. He has a huge opportunity here.

doct3rj
05-18-2007, 03:24 AM
If Kubiak has this much confidence in Kevin Walter stepping up as the #2 to release Moulds then this guy has to have something. Doesn't look like he's had much playing time, but hes a big receiver (6'3 213), not too sure about his speed. Looked it up on google can't seem to find his 40 time or vertical leap. Anyone??

Wolf123
05-18-2007, 07:28 AM
Moulds is no longer a good player and thats why the texans cut him. He couldn't get any seperation from DB's and once he caught the ball he couldn't get any yards after the catch. There is a reason why no one has sighned him yet. He helped us only in the first half of the season when teams were showing him respect because of his reputation. Once teams figured out that he's lost it, our offense started to shut down.

lamont
05-18-2007, 07:37 AM
I understand we're going forward...and I dont know what went on behind closed doors but with a new QB and RB....I STILL think Moulds coulda added valuable leadership to the receiving corps of the team and made a significant contribution on the field.....PLUS...he's better than any #2 WR we have on the roster.

I think the word leadership is way over used. I mean leadership is only good when the leader is producing. Eric Moulds was slow and his production on the field did not compliment AJ. I like this somewhat new attitude of the regime, you don't produce you gone. I am not totally saying the dude was hot garbage but he was not a threat. As far as leadership in the WR core, AJ is no youngen anymore hes been in the league 5 yrs 2 pro bowls leade the league in catches, that's all the leadership you need. The Texans need to pull a Saints type of move at WR and just gamble on Jacoby Jones. That dude have some attitude and man we can use some smack talk on the team and the alter egos at WR (quite meek AJ mouthy attitude JJ). Moulds is nothing more than a Keyshawn, still have the skill of catching but is slow as 610 galleria traffic @ 5:30 pm


LETS GO TEXANS

Wolf123
05-18-2007, 07:42 AM
Ahmen!

Keyfro
05-18-2007, 07:50 AM
to me it's a shame that he's not here anymore because at the beginning of last season the main reason for andre's huge explosion was because of teams respecting moulds's ability and leaving andre in single coverage...can't say that's going to happen this season...day one andre should be facing double teams early and often until walter steps up...if he doesn't this is going to be a long season for andre...the jones kid we got out of lane college has some physical tools but not the polished receiver i was hoping for out of the draft...personally i thought that jason hill would have been a better option but hey...we got jones he's got the size and speed and ability...i'm anxious to see what the kid can do

Whiskeyrbl
05-18-2007, 08:37 AM
I truly believe that Moulds wanted out. Carr hardly even looked his way last year. He came in to make a difference and for whatever reason was almost a decoy for every game after week 1. I would like to see us try to resign him for this year. I doubt it happens but I think he would be more involved this year.

lamont
05-18-2007, 08:55 AM
I truly believe that Moulds wanted out. Carr hardly even looked his way last year. He came in to make a difference and for whatever reason was almost a decoy for every game after week 1. I would like to see us try to resign him for this year. I doubt it happens but I think he would be more involved this year.

Someone hit it right on the head, does MOULDS have a job right now? I don't even know why he's an issue or a topic for that matter. That dude was bout as useless for this offense than me standing outside of Reliant on Kirby yelling go TEXANS on a saturday (arrrrhmmmm we play on sundays). As far as him harvesting some of the pressure off of AJ in the first half the season, that's all fine and dandy but you fail to forget we were horrible the first half of the season. It wasn't till he had became totally useless that we actually start competing. Strange as that may sound, it's the truth so basically you can say the Texans was playing with 10 men. WOW after that I sorta appreciate a 6-10 record now. Here is the simple truth about veterans coming to this team, I truly believe first and foremost they would want to come for the payday and take advantage of no State Taxes in Texas secondly I think all veterans that come here want to be the person that claim they were the reason for the turnaround, and thats the stone cold facts.


LETS GO TEXANS

outofhnd
05-18-2007, 08:55 AM
I think to re-sign him it would have to be at a low price. Kubiak seems intent on building young quality depth. I like Walters personally he was firey and not afraid of contact. I liked his style I think he could be a chain mover that will eventually free up coverage on Andre.
Moulds just couldn't get open and has lost a considerable step in his game. Hopefully Jacoby and Jerome could both contribute to stretch the field.

CypressTexan
05-18-2007, 08:57 AM
According to the rumors of of Texans camp Moulds had just lost to much speed. He came in in great shape hiding the lost speed, but at his age his body wore down quickly during the season and he could not longer get seperation. Moulds is a good guy but it was the right move.

Mean Machine
05-18-2007, 09:09 AM
Moulds was just too slow. He was a good pickup for LAST year, but this year I would hope speed is going to be the key. Think of this scenario:
Jacoby lined up in the slot, runs a deep corner
Mathis on the far right, streaks to the post.
Andre drags across the middle about 20 yards downfield, safeties are sucking back on the speed guys, and Andre is wide open.
Speed wins.

lamont
05-18-2007, 09:09 AM
According to the rumors of of Texans camp Moulds had just lost to much speed. He came in in great shape hiding the lost speed, but at his age his body wore down quickly during the season and he could not longer get seperation. Moulds is a good guy but it was the right move.
Although he is from Mississippi and should know a thing or two about southern humidity, I think playing in Buffalo for all of those years and then WHAMO come to Houston and have to do 2 adays in 94 degrees 80% humidty was a contributor to his speed reduction. I think people don't realize how hard it is to play here in this weather, and that can practically go into November, so I commend the Texans for turning it on close to the end of the season

GP
05-18-2007, 10:06 AM
He couldn't get past the DBs.
I liked, to some degree, how he could get into a space and become open on short yardage routes...but overall, I think the coaching staff is intrigued that Walter had hands of glue in clutch situations to keep the chains moving on multiple must-convert situation--Much like Keyshawn Johnson who is a great possession receiver.
And from the attitude that Moulds gave when he was released...it looks like he might not have been the best locker room presence that Kubiak expected him to be. I know he has a right to be disappointed about getting cut, but I think he overreacted a bit IMO.
AJ, Walter, Jones/Mathis, Owen Daniels, Jeb Putzier. My concern is that we ought to have one more WR that has some NFL experience. That's the only thing that scares me.
But as far as losing Moulds? I'm not upset about it. This staff doesn't keep people unless they truly fit and belong: Ask Seth Wand and Bennie Joppru. Moulds just didn't fit, IMO.
This isn't Capers' ship anymore. Thank goodness.

El Tejano
05-18-2007, 12:55 PM
It would be nice if Walter turns out to be like a Drew Bennett kind of WR. Also, Moulds just wasn't cutting it. 1 TD and that was the first one of the season in our first game of the season. That is all I have to say about that.
If Andre gets double teamed hopefully we have the QB that can recognize that and look it off and either deliver the throw or throw to the TE.

outofhnd
05-18-2007, 01:13 PM
I dont think Walter is a drew Bennett type of reciever because Bennett was a track guy I think..... Plus Bennett was more fluid than Walters. Walters is more of a body out Michael irvin type of receiver who will physically punish his cover man every play. Its not the prettiest route but its effective.

HOU-TEX
05-18-2007, 01:51 PM
I'm not upset about Moulds being cut, but I think he could've produced a little more if he was looked at more often. I think he was frustrated by not being thrown on a regular basis and quit running his routes like they should've been run.

BMT TEXAN
05-18-2007, 01:58 PM
It was time for Moulds to go. Walters will fit the #2 Wr role just fine. This guy has hands of tar, not glue. He catches everything thrown to him & i'm not concerned all that much about his speed. Kubiak know he isn't a burner so why would he put Walters in that situation. Out-routes,comebacks,slants,seam-routes,fades are going to be his speciality. This guy is going to produce for us & i truly believe this. Everyone talks bout AJ getting double-teamed, so this makes it easier for KW to go out & run these routes & be very effective at it. You also have to keep in mind that our starting QB is not going to strare down his first option like its his first time seeing knocker's (smile). AJ will not be the 1st option this year when it come to pass-plays & this is no disrespect to AJ, its just to show that we have other guys we can beat-ya with. This offense is going to roll like a well-oiled machine this year. Throw OW,JJ,AD,JP,DA, and JM( if he get his mind right) in the mix, we have some weapons opposite AJ. Watch what i'm saying Fellas!!!

TexansFanatic
05-18-2007, 04:24 PM
The sad fact of sports, in general, is that to compete you need to be young. Why? Because when you get older, you get slower. All the proof you need about Moulds is that no other team picked him up. He's done.

keyser
05-18-2007, 05:09 PM
The sad fact of sports, in general, is that to compete you need to be young. Why? Because when you get older, you get slower. All the proof you need about Moulds is that no other team picked him up. He's done.

Well, teams will sometimes pick up older/slower players if they still contribute. I bet Keyshawn ends up somewhere. But, the fact that no team has picked up Moulds should, at the very least, tell you that we didn't make a huge mistake in cutting him. If he was such a great #2 receiver, many teams would be scrambling to get him.

ObsiWan
05-18-2007, 08:07 PM
At first I was puzzled when they cut Eric Moulds. But the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. As several of you have pointed out, he's no deep threat - no longer has the speed to get separation or produce YAC numbers.
As far as the "leadership" thing is concerned, the youngsters need look no farther than our very own Pro-Bowl WR, Andre Johnson. Can you believe he's the "old guy" in our WR corps? (Davis has 6 yrs but not as many starts)
So the closer I looked at it, it made more sense to pay a youngster with upside potential the same money (maybe less!) you'd have paid a 11-yr guy with fading skills.
And, others have pointed out, if he was still all that, sommmmebody would have snatched him up by now. Not even the WR-poor Titans game him a call. On the other hand, they called Keyshawn the same week he got cut.

cuppacoffee
05-18-2007, 08:40 PM
He couldn't get past the DBs.
I liked, to some degree, how he could get into a space and become open on short yardage routes...but overall, I think the coaching staff is intrigued that Walter had hands of glue in clutch situations to keep the chains moving on multiple must-convert situation--Much like Keyshawn Johnson who is a great possession receiver.
And from the attitude that Moulds gave when he was released...it looks like he might not have been the best locker room presence that Kubiak expected him to be. I know he has a right to be disappointed about getting cut, but I think he overreacted a bit IMO.
AJ, Walter, Jones/Mathis, Owen Daniels, Jeb Putzier. My concern is that we ought to have one more WR that has some NFL experience. That's the only thing that scares me.
But as far as losing Moulds? I'm not upset about it. This staff doesn't keep people unless they truly fit and belong: Ask Seth Wand and Bennie Joppru. Moulds just didn't fit, IMO.
This isn't Capers' ship anymore. Thank goodness.


I cut this interesting paragraph from c&ds linked article:
"The whining was nothing novel from Moulds. Don't forget that his spiral out of Buffalo began when the Bills were manhandling the Dolphins late in 2005 during a game where they eventually self-destructed, and he threw a fit on the sidelines reportedly because Lee Evans (http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2007/05/bills-ericmoulds-shouldnthappen100507.html#) had caught three touchdown passes to his zero. Moulds couldn't be happy about either Evans' or his team's success, and his egregiously selfish tantrum embodied everything wrong with his attitude."
Not really a positive locker room presence if true.
I just get the feeling that Kubiak & Co will not tolerate divisiveness in the locker room.

[C]

aj
05-18-2007, 09:51 PM
Don't forget that his spiral out of Buffalo began when the Bills were manhandling the Dolphins late in 2005 during a game where they eventually self-destructed, and he threw a fit on the sidelines reportedly because Lee Evans (http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2007/05/bills-ericmoulds-shouldnthappen100507.html#) had caught three touchdown passes to his zero. Moulds couldn't be happy about either Evans' or his team's success, and his egregiously selfish tantrum embodied everything wrong with his attitude."
Can you imagine how he felt as he watched Evans go off on the Texans in 2006?
11 catches for 265 and 2 TDs
... while the Texans pop gun offense went fumble, punt, punt, punt, punt, and punt in their last 6 drives of the game ...

HydrOshocK
05-19-2007, 12:34 PM
There's also the ego factor. Moulds, like all good receivers, never wanted to be a #2 in Buffalo. And I'm sure he didn't want to be one anywhere else either. Sometimes these once-great players get it in their head that they will go somewhere else and eventually become the man again, especially if there's an injury to the team's star WR....anyone remember Chris Carter in a Dolphins uniform?
But in his case he wasn't a very big factor in our offense after the first few games and never really stood out for the majority of the season. That pretty much killed any chance he had of reclaiming his glory days. Not only did it seal his fate here but no other team wanted him either.

KW_EMU_Fan_81
05-22-2007, 11:50 AM
If Kubiak has this much confidence in Kevin Walter stepping up as the #2 to release Moulds then this guy has to have something. Doesn't look like he's had much playing time, but hes a big receiver (6'3 213), not too sure about his speed. Looked it up on google can't seem to find his 40 time or vertical leap. Anyone??

Timed at 4.56 in the 40-yard dash … 30-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-7 broad jump … 390-pound bench press … 495-pound squat … 333-pound power clean … 31½-inch arm length … 9 3/8-inch hands … Right-handed.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/walter_kevin#agility
Very blue collar. Seems more like a tall possession reciever.
Wish I could squat 495 and bench 390


Here is some further news, he has broken 4.4 in the 40. he is much faster than the 4.56 he had timed coming out of college. Trust me on this one!!!

bt304203
05-22-2007, 01:45 PM
I understand we're going forward...and I dont know what went on behind closed doors but with a new QB and RB....I STILL think Moulds coulda added valuable leadership to the receiving corps of the team and made a significant contribution on the field.....PLUS...he's better than any #2 WR we have on the roster.
moulds was here for one reason...to fill the role he did. he was here to take pressure off johnson like bradford and gaffney did in johnsons first year, the problem with that role is that they were not threats neithier was moulds. after one year of being a distraction they became worthless b/c no body bothered to cover them and they didn't bother to catch the ball. moulds did his job for the year we had him...we needed to go after calvin johnson that would have been a tandom. right now we have a good prospect in jacoby jones and a person who will fill a role till jones is ready in andre davis.

GP
05-22-2007, 04:08 PM
Moulds didn't even do his job for the one year he was here, IMO.
He was a non-factor. Teams didn't gameplan for him.
Now to what degree that was DC's fault, I can understand some positions on that. DC made everyone less effective, IMO.
But separating DC out of it, there was little of lasting value with Eric Moulds. No break-away speed, angry about not getting his touches each game, and his tirade about getting cut (instead of being thankful for even getting picked up in the first place)...it all adds up to me.
We have younger WRs who are going to fit the bill, IMO.

texans83
05-22-2007, 04:24 PM
has he even got picked up buy anyone else? I think letting him go was a great thing.

coachdent
05-22-2007, 08:56 PM
Yeah it's going to be really hard seeing him catching balls for............................................... ........
UM......................Who has he signed with?

Dawgnme
05-22-2007, 10:48 PM
I understand we're going forward...and I dont know what went on behind closed doors but with a new QB and RB....I STILL think Moulds coulda added valuable leadership to the receiving corps of the team and made a significant contribution on the field.....PLUS...he's better than any #2 WR we have on the roster.
Hey, man! It's great to see you spending some time back in Houston. I heard the soundbyte on 610 this afternoon - it sounds like you and Yao had a good workout at the 'Yota today. Man, wifey must really be tapdancing on the nerves to get you to come all the way back here from Syria... what is she now, 17? Put some Hanna Montana in her world - it works wonders with my kid!

SuperstarII
05-23-2007, 01:41 AM
Moulds was my favorite player and I too don't understand why he was cut. I think he went to the Eagles and probably be happy in cooler weather than the Texas heat. He barely had a chance too prove himself becase of Davey boy not looking for him. I think he just wanted out personally.

westtexastexan
05-24-2007, 12:06 AM
Eric Moulds wanted out. Plain and simple. Two reasons. The offense only throws to the 1 receiver (AJ). The 2 receiver is rarely the go to guy. Second reason - David Carr. When required to check down, he failed miserably. contrary to many of the posts on this thread, Moulds still has more speed than the new draft pick....The games I saw, Moulds was open quite often. Problem was that the QB didn't see him, let alone be able to get the ball to him.
One other point, if Moulds was the #1 receiver, he wouldn't have dropped as many balls as Johnson did, and would have caught as many balls.
This time next year, ya'll will be trashin management for picking a WR in the 2nd round who didn't catch 35 balls all year. And again, saying the reason is that he's too slow.