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CrashTestDummy
11-03-2008, 08:55 AM
This offense works when the QBs take care of the ball. You cannot continually turn the ball over and win in this league. Red Zone turnovers... that cost you anywhere from 6 - 14 points and just as important momentum.

I hear people complain that the coaching has got to get better. Excuse me?? This offense rolls up and down the field. The coaches are not the ones that are throwing the ints or dropping the ball. The PLAYERS are resonsible for being professional football players. I am not expecting them to be perfect but the same mistakes are happening to the same players over and over. I cannot believe that the coaching staff has not addressed this with the players so the blame falls on the players, not the coaches.

Shaub or Rosenfels?? Doesn't matter. They both can look like All Pros but they both make the same mistakes. Fix it or lets draft a Franchise QB.

O-Line shares in this responsibility. Toughen up, get nasty, and get pissed off when your QB is getting hounded.

Wolverine
11-03-2008, 09:01 AM
I completely disagree. To me, turnovers are a reflection of the head coach's ability to instill the right mindset in his players.

caddy
11-03-2008, 09:18 AM
Well, I have seen a change in the team since the get-go. Would feel better if the " Chin " took over. Now I would bet on him...

Wolf123
11-03-2008, 09:54 AM
I completely disagree. To me, turnovers are a reflection of the head coach's ability to instill the right mindset in his players.

Short of killing the players when they make a turnover, what would you do?

CrashTestDummy
11-03-2008, 10:21 AM
Short of killing the players when they make a turnover, what would you do?


This is my point. Kubiak can't hang on to the ball for them.

Wolf123
11-03-2008, 11:10 AM
This is my point. Kubiak can't hang on to the ball for them.

I agree, some people on here believe that a few words or threat to millionaires will make them hold onto the ball. Words are the most over rated part of sports!

WaldovonPutz
11-03-2008, 11:40 AM
It may be the coaching. I was stunned when the play by play guys yesterday remarked that the Texans have allowed something like 16 out of 20 touchdowns to other teams when they were in the red zone, plus some field goals, only once failing to score. That's simply unacceptable. Our DC has to go, even without stuff like leaving man on man coverage on Calvin Johnson, the only Detroit threat when we were trying to protect a lead (96 yard TD!). And letting the opposing QB run 15 yards on third down to move the chains time after time. Something has to change, and it's not going to be the players. We have a big investment in money and draft choices on defense. We made trades and signed free agents. Hasn't panned out like it should. We don't scare anyone on defense. It may be the coaching.

3andOUT
11-03-2008, 11:45 AM
You can absolutely blame the coaches. One for not realizing that OCs drool when gameplanning for a Texans defense that includes Reeves. People target this guy specifically.....realize it and freaking bench him. Secondly, we have two quarterbacks who don't seem like they can consistently play smart football and protect the ball.

Kubiak said he could fix D. Carr.....didn't happen. Kubiak lobbied for Matt Schaub and 2 second rounders later......hasn't happened yet. He's either not that good of a quarterback coach or not that good of an evaluater of talen.

buffsoldier
11-03-2008, 11:55 AM
When things go bad you can always blame the coaches. Is that always fair? No, but that's how this league is. Coaches and coaching mentality is essential, no matter how talented a roster is.

For example the Dallas Cowgirls have on of the most loaded rosters, top to bottom in the entire NFL, but they are struggling. The leadership is lacking on the field and on the sidelines. For all there talent, they cant even win a playoff game, and who knows, this year they might not even make it to the playoffs.

On the flipside you have a team like Miami, who adds a great Left Tackle, but also looses two of their best defensive players in Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor. Sure they add Pennington, but other that that, no real changes. Aside from letting The Big Tuna run your team. And he's not even a coach.

I'm not saying that it is all the Texans coaching. Missed blocks, bad passes, QBs doing helicopters...etc all play into it. But when a team makes mental errors, the coaches have to be questioned.

CrashTestDummy
11-03-2008, 11:57 AM
You can absolutely blame the coaches. One for not realizing that OCs drool when gameplanning for a Texans defense that includes Reeves. People target this guy specifically.....realize it and freaking bench him. Secondly, we have two quarterbacks who don't seem like they can consistently play smart football and protect the ball.

Kubiak said he could fix D. Carr.....didn't happen. Kubiak lobbied for Matt Schaub and 2 second rounders later......hasn't happened yet. He's either not that good of a quarterback coach or not that good of an evaluater of talen.

I do agree with the defensive problems. When I started this post I was really just talking offense. So my bad there.

The offensive problems are not coaching... it is players taking care of the ball. If Shaub will hang on to the ball we have a Super Bowl caliber offense here. Name 5 offenses that can score as many points as we can WHEN we hang onto the ball... or just turn it over once a game.

Arizona, New Orleans, San Diego?? NY Giants, ... who else?

SuperstarII
11-03-2008, 12:12 PM
This offense works when the QBs take care of the ball. You cannot continually turn the ball over and win in this league. Red Zone turnovers... that cost you anywhere from 6 - 14 points and just as important momentum.

I hear people complain that the coaching has got to get better. Excuse me?? This offense rolls up and down the field. The coaches are not the ones that are throwing the ints or dropping the ball. The PLAYERS are resonsible for being professional football players. I am not expecting them to be perfect but the same mistakes are happening to the same players over and over. I cannot believe that the coaching staff has not addressed this with the players so the blame falls on the players, not the coaches.

Shaub or Rosenfels?? Doesn't matter. They both can look like All Pros but they both make the same mistakes. Fix it or lets draft a Franchise QB.

O-Line shares in this responsibility. Toughen up, get nasty, and get pissed off when your QB is getting hounded.

Falcons are 5-3.

Houston football equals being cursed.

At least in baseball they keep it interesting.

LongBignasty1
11-03-2008, 11:45 PM
How long did Aaron Rodgers sit and learn the system behind Favre? So do you think we could draft a QB who slips into the second and start grooming him while we get rid of the Rosenchoppa? I think we all know we need a another stud on Defense besides the Defensive Coordinator. With a great D Coordinator and another D weapon we can quickly become good on D. I just think back to two years ago when the NY Giants got Jim Johnsons Asst. Defensive Coordinator Steve Spagnolo (sp?) and their defense went from good to ridicoulos due to great D play calling. I'm waiting with great anticipation the day when i cheer on defensive plays instead of cringe.

3andOUT
11-04-2008, 02:10 PM
I do agree with the defensive problems. When I started this post I was really just talking offense. So my bad there.

The offensive problems are not coaching... it is players taking care of the ball. If Shaub will hang on to the ball we have a Super Bowl caliber offense here. Name 5 offenses that can score as many points as we can WHEN we hang onto the ball... or just turn it over once a game.

Arizona, New Orleans, San Diego?? NY Giants, ... who else?

Completely agree!! This is a good team when we protect the ball, and it would be ridiculous how much easier we would make this game if we did that and took the ball away more than we gave it up.

That is the SINGLE biggest wildcard for us. When we don't turn the ball over, we win....simple as that