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[B.Diddy]

Its funny that when we win three straught its pretty quiet on here just the main everyday people but as soon as we lose one game its over flowing with negitive post (like bench schaub, fire kubiak, cut jacoby, steve slaton isnt a nfl starting RB ) but hey i guess thats what keeps me posting on here disagreeing with with all the fair weather, bandwagon jumping, pestimestic wanna be fans....whew sorry to any real Texan Fans reading this im just venting ...............


PS. Welcome back trolls i kinda missed you guys when we were winning

[therealx9]

Owen Daniels @ QB, keep kubiak and jacoby, steve slaton is one hell of a player.

Seems like our defense is getting a little bit better, jacques reeves still needs to learn to keep an eye on the ball.

[Texan Naija]

What I don't get is why people miss the OBVIOUS reasons we lose such as Schaub getting gimped early and harping for defensive changes that we can't get done until Spring without blowing up the team.

[B.Diddy]

Owen Daniels @ QB, keep kubiak and jacoby, steve slaton is one hell of a player.

Seems like our defense is getting a little bit better, jacques reeves still needs to learn to keep an eye on the ball.

I agree with everything except Owen Danials at QB unless we put in a Wildcat formation for him lol

[BIG ERN]

Trolls Galore

[CoogBull]

Its funny that when we win three straught its pretty quiet on here just the main everyday people but as soon as we lose one game its over flowing with negitive post (like bench schaub, fire kubiak, cut jacoby, steve slaton isnt a nfl starting RB ) but hey i guess thats what keeps me posting on here disagreeing with with all the fair weather, bandwagon jumping, pestimestic wanna be fans....whew sorry to any real Texan Fans reading this im just venting ...............


PS. Welcome back trolls i kinda missed you guys when we were winning

Yeah that really shows how awful people are. They did not complain about wins but when this team shows its true colors we criticize. That just shows we are trolls.

There were plenty of things to complain about during the win streak, but I choose to celebrate rather than nit pick. Let's face it: Watching us beat the Bengals was like watching someone pistol whip a retarded child.

I guess I am a troll. I expect a team with a multimillion dollar payroll full of professionals to play competent consistent football and win games. In short, I expect them to do their jobs. If that makes me a troll or a bad fan, I pity this team because its "real fans" are losers.

[B.Diddy]

Yeah that really shows how awful people are. They did not complain about wins but when this team shows its true colors we criticize. That just shows we are trolls.

There were plenty of things to complain about during the win streak, but I choose to celebrate rather than nit pick.

I guess I am a troll. I expect a team with a multimillion dollar payroll full of professionals to play competent consistent football and win games. In short, I expect them to do their jobs. If that makes me a troll or a bad fan, I pity this team because its "real fans" are losers.

lol theres a big difference between being disappointed, or complaining and Trolling But the fact that you took this thread personal pretty much says what you are

[CoogBull]

lol theres a big difference between being disappointed, or complaining and Trolling But the fact that you took this thread personal pretty much says what you are

Yep I am a troll.

How dare I expect decent play? I really need to examine myself.

[Wolf123]

Yep I am a troll.

How dare I expect decent play? I really need to examine myself.

Loseing by seven points is pretty decent!! I could understand if they blew us out, but we lost by seven points and had a chance to tie it at the end. We just won 3 games in a row, then lost by 7 points and everyone is ready to fire kubiak, smith, schaub, sage, etc.

[Sportswriter79]

lol theres a big difference between being disappointed, or complaining and Trolling But the fact that you took this thread personal pretty much says what you are

And maybe the fact that you seem to defend losing and take it in stride somewhat says what you are?

There are lots of fans who justifiably criticize a team that makes mental errors that shouldn't be made at the pro level. I saw a high school QB last Friday night who made better decisions with the football than we did on Sunday. And I haven't even mentioned the coaching decisions.

We have a lot of talent scattered around this team. We need someone to pull it all together so that we can compete against teams other than those at the bottom of the NFL.

[Sportswriter79]

Loseing by seven points is pretty decent!! I could understand if they blew us out, but we lost by seven points and had a chance to tie it at the end. We just won 3 games in a row, then lost by 7 points and everyone is ready to fire kubiak, smith, schaub, sage, etc.

Memo to Fans: We are not 3-5 as popularly indicated in the press. Our true record is as follows:

Scoreboard Victories (Dolphins, Lions, Bengals) - 3

Moral Victories - (Jaguars, Colts, Vikings) - 3

Losses (Steelers, Titans) - 2.

[SuperstarII]

Loseing by seven points is pretty decent!! I could understand if they blew us out, but we lost by seven points and had a chance to tie it at the end. We just won 3 games in a row, then lost by 7 points and everyone is ready to fire kubiak, smith, schaub, sage, etc.


LOOK How the Falcons have turned it around overnight.

Thanks for playing.

[Wolf123]

And maybe the fact that you seem to defend losing and take it in stride somewhat says what you are?

There are lots of fans who justifiably criticize a team that makes mental errors that shouldn't be made at the pro level. I saw a high school QB last Friday night who made better decisions with the football than we did on Sunday. And I haven't even mentioned the coaching decisions.

We have a lot of talent scattered around this team. We need someone to pull it all together so that we can compete against teams other than those at the bottom of the NFL.

We have alot of talent on this team? Who brought in the talent? Its the guy your all ripping. If he wasn't on our coach would our offense be top 5? NO, it wouldn't. Were defending people because we just lost by 7 points to a good team after winning 3 games in a row!

[Sportswriter79]

LOOK How the Falcons have turned it around overnight.

Thanks for playing.

Two significant factors for their turnaround:

The Falcons added Matt Ryan, who plays every game from start to finish and plays well, especially for a rookie.

The Falcons added Michael Turner. The Falcons understand that, in order to compete, a team needs at least one RB who can make a difference.

The Falcons used the draft and the FA market to improve themselves. We bet that our injured players would improve and get healthy from last year.

Two different strategies.

[Sportswriter79]

We have alot of talent on this team? Who brought in the talent? Its the guy your all ripping. If he wasn't on our coach would our offense be top 5? NO, it wouldn't. Were defending people because we just lost by 7 points to a good team after winning 3 games in a row!

That "top 5" rank is suspect. Sure, we can move the ball on anyone, except when we need to get enough points to win.

The only "5" statistic that has any significance is the one in "3-5".

[Wolf123]

Two significant factors for their turnaround:

The Falcons added Matt Ryan, who plays every game from start to finish and plays well, especially for a rookie.

The Falcons added Michael Turner. The Falcons understand that, in order to compete, a team needs at least one RB who can make a difference.

The Falcons used the draft and the FA market to improve themselves. We bet that our injured players would improve and get healthy from last year.

Two different strategies.

Actually they were loaded with picks and cap room and we were not! That is the difference

[Sportswriter79]

Actually they were loaded with picks and cap room and we were not! That is the difference

But Wolf, isn't some of that due to good management? Where did they get some of those picks? From us.

[Texans2daBone]

Loseing by seven points is pretty decent!! I could understand if they blew us out, but we lost by seven points and had a chance to tie it at the end. We just won 3 games in a row, then lost by 7 points and everyone is ready to fire kubiak, smith, schaub, sage, etc.

Well when they get the category next to wins and loses that says "Was within 7 points of winning or losing" then I will except being within 7 points and not counting it as a lose. But until then to have them lose by 7 basicially giving them the ball game due to turnovers and penalties is bs and is something we are coming to expect. I would rather the other team roll over us so we can say the better team won. However we are left listening and having to make excuses losing to the vikings. So because I am disappointed, ticked off, confused, and dont understand why this team cant turn it around I will continue voicing my opinion while they shot themselves in the foot regardless if the homers of this team like it or not.

[ojthecat]

Buying PSL's in Section 127 paying full price for tickets every year including the preseason tax, Jersey's, Various suvoniers, over priced stadium dogs, peanuts and beer for seven years and then if I say that the coaching staff is not doing a competent job makes me a troll. Then yes I am a TROLL and proud of it. I expect more from this team and in my opinion the issuse that the Texans face are the Texans problems and this comes from the coaching staff and general manager.

Look this is year three of Kubiak and company and this is not the team that he inherated from Capers and Casserley. These are his Texans looking at the roster I only see 8 or 9 players that were here from before Kubiak took over.

The fact is that the team was not prepared to play from the start of the game on Sunday this is a reoccuring problem.
Is the talent level there?
Probably not but whose fault is that?
Who made the decison to pay Revees, Green, Moulds rediculous amounts of money that would have been better off saving?
Who decided that we should trade away DRAFT choices for Matt?
What if we would have kept the draft picks and got a postion of need?

The current crew is doing no better than the previous stooges.

Yes I am a TROLL because I want to see what Reliant stadium we feel like for a playoff game. No I will not drink your koolaid.

Changes need to be made.

[Texans2daBone]

Bottom line is take about 1 second at the next home game verses the Ravens and see how bad the attendance to the game is. The previous 3 games have been poor as well but the Ravens game could very well be sad. Factor along with that poor attendance the fans for the Ravens and you dont have many there showing up. When you look at the product on the field they are more then capable of playing well because they have shown what they can do. But when you see everything that factors into a lose like against the Vikings and no accountability of anyone on this team then it makes you wonder where is the problem and exactly who's head should be on the chopping block? We are about the healthiest team in the AFC right now, that is a fact, but we cant even take advantage of it. We have won 3 of the last 4 games and all of those have been against backup QB's. Only 1 game have we won convincingly. The 3 wins could be considered against the worst teams in the league. Pretty sad but I honestly fell we will end up with a 5 - 11 record. If this happens where do you go from here? Nothing against Kubiak but go hire Bill Cowher and give him an *** load of money.

[TheGoaT]

quit your *****ing, you could be a Raiders fan.

[BIG ERN]

Yeah Go root for the Packers ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh??????

[aj1texan]

Buying PSL's in Section 127 paying full price for tickets every year including the preseason tax, Jersey's, Various suvoniers, over priced stadium dogs, peanuts and beer for seven years and then if I say that the coaching staff is not doing a competent job makes me a troll. Then yes I am a TROLL and proud of it. I expect more from this team and in my opinion the issuse that the Texans face are the Texans problems and this comes from the coaching staff and general manager.

Look this is year three of Kubiak and company and this is not the team that he inherated from Capers and Casserley. These are his Texans looking at the roster I only see 8 or 9 players that were here from before Kubiak took over.

The fact is that the team was not prepared to play from the start of the game on Sunday this is a reoccuring problem.
Is the talent level there?
Probably not but whose fault is that?
Who made the decison to pay Revees, Green, Moulds rediculous amounts of money that would have been better off saving?
Who decided that we should trade away DRAFT choices for Matt?
What if we would have kept the draft picks and got a postion of need?

The current crew is doing no better than the previous stooges.

Yes I am a TROLL because I want to see what Reliant stadium we feel like for a playoff game. No I will not drink your koolaid.

Changes need to be made.

This is the type of statement that real fans make. If you like to call us TROLLS, then so be it. Great seats & season tickets, I expect much more. Whether it's changing talent or adding a coach that will chew out these guys (Bill Cowher)

[Footballz]

Yep I am a troll.

How dare I expect decent play? I really need to examine myself.


You are tired of accepting p*ss poor football.

Others have finished the jug of kool-aid.

[Footballz]

Actually they were loaded with picks and cap room and we were not! That is the difference

Why do you think that is? :rolleyes:

[Wolf123]

Why do you think that is? :rolleyes:

Casserly!!

[bigpun91]

so because my wife and I cant afford season tickets that makes you more of a fan than us?? we watch each week win or lose, because we love the team, not because "we have good seats." each game is a new game and anything can happen.

[CoogBull]

Bottom line is take about 1 second at the next home game verses the Ravens and see how bad the attendance to the game is. The previous 3 games have been poor as well but the Ravens game could very well be sad. Factor along with that poor attendance the fans for the Ravens and you dont have many there showing up. When you look at the product on the field they are more then capable of playing well because they have shown what they can do. But when you see everything that factors into a lose like against the Vikings and no accountability of anyone on this team then it makes you wonder where is the problem and exactly who's head should be on the chopping block? We are about the healthiest team in the AFC right now, that is a fact, but we cant even take advantage of it. We have won 3 of the last 4 games and all of those have been against backup QB's. Only 1 game have we won convincingly. The 3 wins could be considered against the worst teams in the league. Pretty sad but I honestly fell we will end up with a 5 - 11 record. If this happens where do you go from here? Nothing against Kubiak but go hire Bill Cowher and give him an *** load of money.

I agree with you on the record prediction.

Really a half filled stadium would be a blessing. The only way this team is going to change is when McNair loses money. He is a businessman and understands dollars and cents.

For a long time this team has been given a pass because we were all happy to have the NFL back. Now the novelty has worn off and we want a winner. It does not seem that the FO has planned for this eventuality.

[SAMRAJ95]

Hey TEXANS NATION...
I am upset that the TEXANS did not beat Minnesota. I feel as though the TEXANS were in the game for much of the game.

1) The vikings special teams were prepared for Jacoby Jones. So the TEXANS special teams were not able to put points on the board for us.
2) The MCL injury Matt schaub sustained didn't help our pursuit of a victory.
3) Sage Rosenfels came in, but threw a very dangerous pass from the 14-yd line to Kevin Walter between two vikings secondary players. Rosenfels has to protect the ball, and bite the bullet and take off and run, if there is no one open.
4) The TEXANS RUN DEFENSE played well against adrian Peterson, but the 4th qtr. destroyed our efforts. Weaver and Travis John struggled to wrap up the vikings backs. Wrapping up adrian Peterson is by far probably one of the most difficult tackles to make. No question, but it was something that the TEXANS Defense had to do, in order for us to have a chance to win.
5) One way or another, the coaches have to find new ways, creative ways, to place our defensive starters in positions to make the defensive stops.

Are we getting outcoached?
Are we getting lazy and sloppy in the 4th Qtr?
Why do we beat ourselves on the road?
Why do our quarterbacks struggle on the road and thow interceptions?

I don't know....I do not have immediate definitive answers to these questions. I would appreciate some input, thoughts, commentary, opinions.
Please help me out. I just want to understand what am I not seeing....

[wildroot]

I tend to celebrate and don't really find a need to post when we win....all is good! On the other hand, when we play sloppy the discussions tend to escalate. People want to talk about what we could have done better, where we screwed up, who screwed up etc...If that's a troll, count me in. I really don't have a need to label posters. Everyone's got thier opinions....it would be a boring world if we all thought the same. If I don't like what's written, I respond or I move on. Simple.

[ojthecat]

so because my wife and I cant afford season tickets that makes you more of a fan than us?? we watch each week win or lose, because we love the team, not because "we have good seats." each game is a new game and anything can happen.


I don't know if you are a fan or not, If you say you are then I would agree with you. My point is that just because I want to critizise the current management of the Texans orginization and someone wants to call me a Troll then I guess I am a Troll albeit a qualified one. He while you are watching every single game so am I. Heck I have had trouble getting someone to even go to recent games I am sure that will only get worse unless changes are made.

[gforce365]

Two significant factors for their turnaround:

The Falcons added Matt Ryan, who plays every game from start to finish and plays well, especially for a rookie.

The Falcons added Michael Turner. The Falcons understand that, in order to compete, a team needs at least one RB who can make a difference.

The Falcons used the draft and the FA market to improve themselves. We bet that our injured players would improve and get healthy from last year.

Two different strategies.

Amen!

[edo783]

Really a half filled stadium would be a blessing. The only way this team is going to change is when McNair loses money. He is a businessman and understands dollars and cents.

Yeah, that worked real well last time didn't it. While I expect the team to win, I also understand that they were put in a very deep hole by Asserly and co. that they are digging out of it and are still a bit short on the talent side of things. This group didn't even start at the point that the Asserly group did when they did the original start up. They started at a minus from the original starting point. I'm sorry your feelings are hurt that you cant' whip it out around the old water cooler and say "See, my team is better than yours". My recommendation is to just donate your tickets and PSL so that you don't have to feel embarrassed or bad about game day to a needy family/church group and then go snivel on some other teams board, that way you can take the tax write off. Titans have opening as I understand it and they are 8-0 which should make you feel like hero.

[SuddenHavoc162]

Loseing by seven points is pretty decent!! I could understand if they blew us out, but we lost by seven points and had a chance to tie it at the end. We just won 3 games in a row, then lost by 7 points and everyone is ready to fire kubiak, smith, schaub, sage, etc.


Wether we lose by one pt or thirty five, a loss is a loss. The fact still remains that we can not beat a quality team. I guess you can say the Phins are a decent team, but the other two are pretty much cellar dwellers. I have said it before, i am as diehard a fan as you can find but all this we would have, should have, could have is getting old. No excuses for the way they played yesterday. Sooner or later we all will have to accept the fact that they are not as a good a football team as we all chose to believe.

[SuperstarII]

You are tired of accepting p*ss poor football.

Others have finished the jug of kool-aid.


I am a full fledged Astros fan. I am just fairweather fan of the Texans now.


Sorry Nick.....

7 years of this mediocre football and other teams like Miami and Falcons doing good football is all I can take anymore.

[wildroot]

Two significant factors for their turnaround:

The Falcons added Matt Ryan, who plays every game from start to finish and plays well, especially for a rookie.

The Falcons added Michael Turner. The Falcons understand that, in order to compete, a team needs at least one RB who can make a difference.

The Falcons used the draft and the FA market to improve themselves. We bet that our injured players would improve and get healthy from last year.

Two different strategies.

A strategy that worked, and a strategy that to this point has not. Other than the Lions, it seems that the other teams fall off the road at some point but within a year or two find their way back. We're still looking for the road. We had money to spend last year but the best we could do was sign players like Reeves and others that were cut before the season started. Meanwhile teams like the Falcons, Miami and others signed all the big names and got better. I remember all the names that were thrown around here and all the excitement on this board going into the free agent signing period, but we sat by watching other teams sign these impact players.

Oh well......

[Sportswriter79]

I am a full fledged Astros fan. I am just fairweather fan of the Texans now.


Sorry Nick.....

7 years of this mediocre football and other teams like Miami and Falcons doing good football is all I can take anymore.

It's true. In the last 7 years we watched so many other teams go from bad to good. We will probably finish 6-10. It's getting to be uninteresting.

[wildroot]

Yeah, that worked real well last time didn't it. While I expect the team to win, I also understand that they were put in a very deep hole by Asserly and co. that they are digging out of it and are still a bit short on the talent side of things. This group didn't even start at the point that the Asserly group did when they did the original start up. They started at a minus from the original starting point. I'm sorry your feelings are hurt that you cant' whip it out around the old water cooler and say "See, my team is better than yours". My recommendation is to just donate your tickets and PSL so that you don't have to feel embarrassed or bad about game day to a needy family/church group and then go snivel on some other teams board, that way you can take the tax write off. Titans have opening as I understand it and they are 8-0 which should make you feel like hero.

What do you mean we started minus? We had arguably the best WR in the league along wirth Dunta and DeMeco and I'm sure i'm leaving plenty out. Thats a *ell of a good starting point. If we're still losing 2-3 years from now the same crowd will still be making excuses for this team rather than demanding results. Let me tell you, winning teams have demanding fans. How long do you think the fans in Pittsburg would put up with a loser? Rooney knows it too.

[CoogBull]

Yeah, that worked real well last time didn't it. While I expect the team to win, I also understand that they were put in a very deep hole by Asserly and co. that they are digging out of it and are still a bit short on the talent side of things. This group didn't even start at the point that the Asserly group did when they did the original start up. They started at a minus from the original starting point. I'm sorry your feelings are hurt that you cant' whip it out around the old water cooler and say "See, my team is better than yours". My recommendation is to just donate your tickets and PSL so that you don't have to feel embarrassed or bad about game day to a needy family/church group and then go snivel on some other teams board, that way you can take the tax write off. Titans have opening as I understand it and they are 8-0 which should make you feel like hero.

Oh yeah because the laws of incentives do not apply to the NFL.

I still fail to see how wanting my team to win is a bad thing. Yeah Casserly hurt this team, but we need to get over it. No excuses. Play like a winner. How much longer are we going to get to blame him? When we are still losing five years from now are we still going to blame Casserly?

This franchise has taken its fanbase for granted and it needs to start producing in the near future.

Have you ever been to an Eagles game? Those fans are 800 times harder on their team than Texans fans.

[edo783]

What do you mean we started minus? We had arguably the best WR in the league along wirth Dunta and DeMeco and I'm sure i'm leaving plenty out. Thats a *ell of a good starting point. If we're still losing 2-3 years from now the same crowd will still be making excuses for this team rather than demanding results. Let me tell you, winning teams have demanding fans. How long do you think the fans in Pittsburg would put up with a loser? Rooney knows it too.

Sooo, you think Carr was a positive? DD shot to hell a positive? COUNTLESS draft gaffs? Over spending our capital to buy FA busts? Putting our team in a deep well of cap hell that was a positive? That they hit on a couple of items doesn't negate the fact that they missed horribly on ~90% of the other moves/personnel. The amount of wasted draft picks alone is enough to destroy any team for years. Yes, they were in a much deeper hole than when they started out. At least when they started it was a clean slate and didn't have to clean all the crap off and wait for the cap to get right side up.

[SuperstarII]

It's true. In the last 7 years we watched so many other teams go from bad to good. We will probably finish 6-10. It's getting to be uninteresting.

I personally think its the coaching. Also players are responsible as well. They just want to make those millions and relax and get a paycheck. The old days football was fun and exciting now it is just a friggin circus.....

[wildroot]

Sooo, you think Carr was a positive? DD shot to hell a positive? COUNTLESS draft gaffs? Over spending our capital to buy FA busts? Putting our team in a deep well of cap hell that was a positive? That they hit on a couple of items doesn't negate the fact that they missed horribly on ~90% of the other moves/personnel. The amount of wasted draft picks alone is enough to destroy any team for years. Yes, they were in a much deeper hole than when they started out. At least when they started it was a clean slate and didn't have to clean all the crap off and wait for the cap to get right side up.

What like signing AG was some sort of a master stroke? And Schaub too? AGs been hurt 90% of the time. Most the FA we signed this year were cut in training camp. And this was the year we had some money to finally spend. And remember, Casserly didn't get to pick the cream of the crop off the other teams, he got the bottom of the barrel. And they beat DALLAS in the first game! Kubiak's team rolled over in Pittsburg this year. At least Capers got the team fired up. (not that I'd want him back)

[Wolf123]

What like signing AG was some sort of a master stroke? And Schaub too? AGs been hurt 90% of the time. Most the FA we signed this year were cut in training camp. And this was the year we had some money to finally spend. And remember, Casserly didn't get to pick the cream of the crop off the other teams, he got the bottom of the barrel. And they beat DALLAS in the first game! Kubiak's team rolled over in Pittsburg this year. At least Capers got the team fired up. (not that I'd want him back)

Good move by kubiak and smith
1. mario
2. ryans
3. eric winston
4. owne daniels
5. david anderson
6. mike briesel
7. kevin walters
8. steve slaton
9. vonta leach
10. andre davis
11. amobi okoye
12. Jacoby jones
13. fred bennett
14. sage
15. zach diles


Bad move
1. ahman
2. Eric mould-cost us next to nothing
3. matt schaub- although I don't see how this is in there
4. anthony weaver


Hmmm... It doesn't even look close

[Footballz]

Sooo, you think Carr was a positive? DD shot to hell a positive? COUNTLESS draft gaffs? Over spending our capital to buy FA busts? Putting our team in a deep well of cap hell that was a positive? That they hit on a couple of items doesn't negate the fact that they missed horribly on ~90% of the other moves/personnel. The amount of wasted draft picks alone is enough to destroy any team for years. Yes, they were in a much deeper hole than when they started out. At least when they started it was a clean slate and didn't have to clean all the crap off and wait for the cap to get right side up.

Carr has been gone for quite a while. No more Carr excuses.

[Footballz]

Casserly!!


Really? Is he the one who gave up so much for Shaub?

[ojthecat]

Good move by kubiak and smith
1. mario
2. ryans
3. eric winston
4. owne daniels
5. david anderson
6. mike briesel
7. kevin walters
8. steve slaton
9. vonta leach
10. andre davis
11. amobi okoye
12. Jacoby jones
13. fred bennett
14. sage
15. zach diles


Bad move
1. ahman
2. Eric mould-cost us next to nothing
3. matt schaub- although I don't see how this is in there
4. anthony weaver


Hmmm... It doesn't even look close

Well technically Mario, Ryans, Winston, Daniels, Anderson, Walters, and Rosenfels were all signed when Casserlie was GM.

Also Eric Moulds cost 16 MILLION dollars, and add , Revees for 20 MILLION, Chris Brown, and Colvin to your list, Why would Matt Schaub not be in there? He cost draft picks and is not major upgrade over Sage plus he cant stay on the field.

Using pick on QB's that you know have no chance of making the team.

Then there is the matter of clock managment, challanges, and not forcing the ball to number 80.

These are the things that drive is TROLL's crazy.

[Wolf123]

Well technically Mario, Ryans, Winston, Daniels, Anderson, Walters, and Rosenfels were all signed when Casserlie was GM.

Also Eric Moulds cost 16 MILLION dollars, and add , Revees for 20 MILLION, Chris Brown, and Colvin to your list, Why would Matt Schaub not be in there? He cost draft picks and is not major upgrade over Sage plus he cant stay on the field.

Using pick on QB's that you know have no chance of making the team.

Then there is the matter of clock managment, challanges, and not forcing the ball to number 80.

These are the things that drive is TROLL's crazy.

Kubiak ran the draft! Eric moulds didn't get 16 guaranteed? Reeves you can add, Chris brown cost us nothing and neither did colvin. This is only personel decisions not what he does at practice or at games.

[Wolf123]

Really? Is he the one who gave up so much for Shaub?

No he's the one that got us no talent or cap room. We gave up alot for schaub, are you happy with the fifth ranked offense? I am!!! Our offense has scored 17 aginst pitt, 12, 27,27,29,28,35, and 21. Thats good!

Our defense
1. 38
2. 31
3. 30
4. 31
5. 28
6. 21
7. 6
8. 28

I don't care what anyone says our defense blows and its the main reason our team has struggled

[ojthecat]

Kubiak ran the draft! Eric moulds didn't get 16 guaranteed? Reeves you can add, Chris brown cost us nothing and neither did colvin. This is only personel decisions not what he does at practice or at games.

My bad on the Eric Moulds signing. He signed a 4 year 14 million deal which he collected 8 Million and we threw in a 4th round pick to Buffalo.

While you can say Kubiak ran the draft the fact is that whatever I have read always says that Casserly ran the draft. If you can site one reference that says Kubiak and not Casserly ran the draft I would love to see it.

[Wolf123]

My bad on the Eric Moulds signing. He signed a 4 year 14 million deal which he collected 8 Million and we threw in a 4th round pick to Buffalo.

While you can say Kubiak ran the draft the fact is that whatever I have read always says that Casserly ran the draft. If you can site one reference that says Kubiak and not Casserly ran the draft I would love to see it.

We didn't give them a 4th round pick. And did casserly ever have a good draft? No, its no coincidence that the moment kubiak get here we have a stellar draft and have had solid one's ever since. There's a quote by casserly where he tells kubiak " we can sign either one, so which one way do you want to go, and kubiak went defense.

[bobizzle]

Yep I am a troll.

How dare I expect decent play? I really need to examine myself.

You see, that is a big problem in this board. This team may get paid millions of dollars, but that shouldnt be an expectant of them to dominate. Im a real fan because i look at each new game with a positive outlook. If you immediately believe the team will lose week after week, it may happen. This is a disappointing year, but look at teams like the ravens and dolphins, that right there gives you hope. Personally, i think this team wins seven this year, but breakout and win 10 or 11 next.:cool:

[ojthecat]

We didn't give them a 4th round pick. And did casserly ever have a good draft? No, its no coincidence that the moment kubiak get here we have a stellar draft and have had solid one's ever since. There's a quote by casserly where he tells kubiak " we can sign either one, so which one way do you want to go, and kubiak went defense.

wow you are correct I was wrong we game Buffalo the 1st pick in the 5th round for Moulds.

[spurstexanstros]

Its funny that when we win three straught its pretty quiet on here just the main everyday people but as soon as we lose one game its over flowing with negitive post (like bench schaub, fire kubiak, cut jacoby, steve slaton isnt a nfl starting RB ) but hey i guess thats what keeps me posting on here disagreeing with with all the fair weather, bandwagon jumping, pestimestic wanna be fans....whew sorry to any real Texan Fans reading this im just venting ...............


PS. Welcome back trolls i kinda missed you guys when we were winning
Some of them never left......
And maybe the fact that you seem to defend losing and take it in stride somewhat says what you are?

There are lots of fans who justifiably criticize a team that makes mental errors that shouldn't be made at the pro level. I saw a high school QB last Friday night who made better decisions with the football than we did on Sunday. And I haven't even mentioned the coaching decisions.

We have a lot of talent scattered around this team. We need someone to pull it all together so that we can compete against teams other than those at the bottom of the NFL.
Translation: Texans should listen to the voices of reason and true football wonderkins found here on the board since obviously those working at the highest level of their field have no working knowledge of football operations like the "realists" here on the board.

I am a full fledged Astros fan. I am just fairweather fan of the Texans now.


Sorry Nick.....

7 years of this mediocre football and other teams like Miami and Falcons doing good football is all I can take anymore.
Door is -----------> that away
Now how many times a year do you say that? At least three or four times since they didnt pick your boy Vince (or was that SW's boy)
I personally think its the coaching. Also players are responsible as well. They just want to make those millions and relax and get a paycheck. The old days football was fun and exciting now it is just a friggin circus.....

Yet to hear who exactly you think they should hire? I am guessing some of the trolls errrrrr realist texans fans see the head coach in the mirror each morning.

[ojthecat]

Well the record for consecutive non winning seasons in the NFL is 14 so after this year we are over half way there. Oh we should be patient being a true fan and accept that our team stinks year after year and just drink some more of the koolaid. Im not going to root for another team the Texans are my team but I dont have to like lossing. The fact is we have telent and this year was up for the taking we could have done someting but the coaching staff cant get it done.

so Long live the TROLLS.

[SuperstarII]

Some of them never left......

Translation: Texans should listen to the voices of reason and true football wonderkins found here on the board since obviously those working at the highest level of their field have no working knowledge of football operations like the "realists" here on the board.


Door is -----------> that away
Now how many times a year do you say that? At least three or four times since they didnt pick your boy Vince (or was that SW's boy)


Yet to hear who exactly you think they should hire? I am guessing some of the trolls errrrrr realist texans fans see the head coach in the mirror each morning.

dude, chill with your bad self. I have been a fan since its conception. I am tired of mediocre football. you want mediocre football then be a fan of the Bengels. you sir have serious pride issues and pride is the worst sin....

[Sportswriter79]

No he's the one that got us no talent or cap room. We gave up alot for schaub, are you happy with the fifth ranked offense? I am!!! Our offense has scored 17 aginst pitt, 12, 27,27,29,28,35, and 21. Thats good!

Our defense
1. 38
2. 31
3. 30
4. 31
5. 28
6. 21
7. 6
8. 28

I don't care what anyone says our defense blows and its the main reason our team has struggled

You obviously don't care what anyone says. But here are the "no talent" players that Casserly drafted for everyone else's benefit:

Andre Johnson (Pro Bowl)
Dunta Robinson (Pro Bowl)
DeMeco Ryans (Rookie of the Year)
Travis Johnson
Mario Williams
Eric Winston
Owen Daniels
Chester Pitts



And no, I'm not happy with our offense. It falls apart inside the 20. It is a stat machine against bad teams, but it isn't consistent.

[jhowie007]

Its funny that when we win three straught its pretty quiet on here just the main everyday people but as soon as we lose one game its over flowing with negitive post (like bench schaub, fire kubiak, cut jacoby, steve slaton isnt a nfl starting RB ) but hey i guess thats what keeps me posting on here disagreeing with with all the fair weather, bandwagon jumping, pestimestic wanna be fans....whew sorry to any real Texan Fans reading this im just venting ...............


PS. Welcome back trolls i kinda missed you guys when we were winning


So what's the problem? I have had my season tickets for six years and only missed 5 games during that time span. I am kind of pissed off and I think any real fan has a right to be. We turn the ball over and give games away. We still have no secondary that cover for crap. Our offensive line is stillll a joke. People get tired of watching the floor get mopped with their teams arses. It is bad football and people pay a lot of their hard earned money to see bad football. Just sayin.


Schaub is not the answer and neither is Sage. Neither one of them can hold on to the football. We overpaid for Schaub and I think almost everyone knows it. At this point, I could really would not mind letting Owen Daniels start at QB as long as he does not turn the ball over.

[srstex]

The Texan D is in bend don't break, of course Reeves likes looking into the back feild too much ( Calvin Johnson TD ), but I believe we are bending too much. At the same time our offense rarely gives the D a break till half time. 3 & out is not enough time to get your wind back, and running a tag team D line is a good move if the new linemen are as good as the first teamers. And they are not.
As for trolls, to be or not to be, when posters complain like last week, The 3 wins were over oorer team, the non-trollers said a win is a win. Troll or not I have not been labled, to my knowledge, the D has to step up, the D has to hold their spot and do their job and TRUST the players around them to do the same,

[wildroot]

I'm simply tired of losing and to be honest, I don't see alot of difference between the Casserly years and the present regime. To say Casserly didn't draft some good players is BS. Some of the previous post's list the names so I won't. Kubiak has also brought in some talent although to this point the jury is out on Amobi. (he's still here right?) We were supposed to have cap money after last season and it was a disapointment we didn't go after a few of the big name FA during the off-season. At the rate we are going, AJ won't be here whenever this slow-boat to the promised land arrives.

I feel like we have the talent but the side-line leadership is lacking. When I see a 1st year HC like Jim Zorn having the success he's having in Washington, that sort of negates the excuses that Kubiak needs time to learn the job. I thought he was ready to lead this team when he was hired. Thought that was the reason we brought him in, not to have another long drawn out re-building process. Don't remember anything about him needeing a few years to learn the job either. I've alway followed him in Denver and am a fan of his, so it's a tough thing for me to say, but this is a tough business. We need to have a "fire and brimstone" type, and if Kubiak can do that, fine. But as it stands now, his approach isn't working.
I see nothing but us taking steps backwards at this point. We came off a promising season last year and we were all expecting 10-6 or there-abouts this season (this is you guys talking as well-just go back and look at the posts from that time) and maybe the play-offs. We accomplished last year's record with a team decimated with injuries as well. This year we're healthy and we've taken a step back. I just don't understand it, so I have to look at who's running this team. IMO McNair needs to stop being such a nice guy and get after his coaches.

[CoogBull]

You see, that is a big problem in this board. This team may get paid millions of dollars, but that shouldnt be an expectant of them to dominate. Im a real fan because i look at each new game with a positive outlook. If you immediately believe the team will lose week after week, it may happen. This is a disappointing year, but look at teams like the ravens and dolphins, that right there gives you hope. Personally, i think this team wins seven this year, but breakout and win 10 or 11 next.:cool:

Yeah but we should at least expect them to compete for the millions. This team has taken longer than expected to turn around and that is all on the FO.

I go in hoping this team will win, but I have learned to never underestimate the ability of this team to underachieve.

The difference between us is that I am acting rationally. This team has consistently let its fanbase down. It is rational to doubt this team.

I can not see seven wins. At best I see five or six.

[wildroot]

Yeah but we should at least expect them to compete for the millions. This team has taken longer than expected to turn around and that is all on the FO.

I go in hoping this team will win, but I have learned to never underestimate the ability of this team to underachieve.

The difference between us is that I am acting rationally. This team has consistently let its fanbase down. It is rational to doubt this team.

I can not see seven wins. At best I see five or six.

I'm hard pressed to find two wins in our remaining games if something doesen't happen to turn this team around.

[Sportswriter79]

It looks like 6-10, or maybe 7-9 to me, although if someone asked me to explain how we are going to win as many as 4 games out of our last 8, I would be hard pressed to do it.

Our only hope is that Sage, with a full week's preparation and knowing that he is the starter, will spark this team. I think that is a higher probabilty than people think. I hope it happens, because I want a QB controversy.

[da sheetz]

Well maybe its the fact that we won so everybody was still at the game partyin drinking soaking up the feeling of victory, so they couldnt hurry home and post how great we did. On the other hand when we lose on the road everybody is allready at home drinking partyin then we lose so everybody jumps on to vent their drunkin sadness over the loss. Just a thought. I was upset about the loss but I wasnt home I was at the bar so I couldnt post. Not so much we lost as how we lost turnovers in the red zone are a killer we score on anyone of those picks different game all together. Ohhhh well playoffs lookin bleak, anything less than the playoofs and I see the season as a failure......sorry but its the truth we were prime after our 8-8 last year to make a run anything better than 8-8 and youve got a chance. Ohhh well see you all this sunday section 131 Ill be the drunk guy 5 rows up screamin my head off.

[Hustler]

I really don't understand the personal attacks on any Texan fan (Troll or whatever u want to call them or not). We all want to see Texans win.

Last time I checked this is a forum for ALL TEXAN fans not a forum for only the Kool-Aid drinkers, the daily/weekly posters, or the realists. ALL TEXAN FANS.

I personally, find it refreshing for people to post their thoughts on here elucidating their opinions on how to improve our team (except when they personally attack others or me...and yes I will bite back to the Nth degree).

Bottom Line---> This league is about WINS AND LOSSES not about how u played the game (Go teach ur amateurs the pleasures of good sportsmanship). We obviously are on the loss side of the equation and there's something to constructive criticism for a WINNING team and even more for a LOSING team.

GO TEXANS (esp the REALISTS)!!!!!

[BIG ERN]

Trolls are not realists.

[Hustler]

Trolls are not realists.

1. Where on here did I say a troll is or is not a realist?

2. Why don't you specifically define what a troll is b/c reading through this section it is rather broad (seems to me anyone who doesn't post every week and/or general term for someone u don't agree with).

[Sportswriter79]

1. Where on here did I say a troll is a realist?

2. Why don't you actually specifically define what a troll is b/c reading through this section it is rather broad (seems to me anyone who doesn't post every week and/or general term for someone u don't agree with).

People who try to analyze our situation rationally, such as those who were predicting that we would start off the season 1-4 (and were proven correct) are commonly labeled as "trolls" by those who overdose on the red koolaid, and believe that we are going to the playoffs at the beginning of every year.

It all depends on who is doing the name-calling, I guess.

[Hustler]

People who try to analyze our situation rationally, such as those who were predicting that we would start off the season 1-4 (and were proven correct) are commonly labeled as "trolls" by those who overdose on the red koolaid, and believe that we are going to the playoffs at the beginning of every year.

It all depends on who is doing the name-calling, I guess.

I think ur on the right track, regretfully.

[Hustler]

I've been touring other NFL team's websites and whenever they mention troll reference it is always toward visiting Team's fan who is causing problems or seeking attention, not to attack a fellow hometown team fan.

I looked up troll in the Cambridge dictionary (def for computing):

troll (COMPUTING) Show phonetics
verb [I or T]
to leave an intentionally annoying message on a part of the Internet in order to get attention or cause trouble:
His hobby is trolling for newbies.

troll Show phonetics
noun [C]
A well-constructed troll will provoke irate or confused responses from flamers and newbies.

It says here it has to be a post to get attention or cause trouble. Well, three main points here I believe and I will expound on each (as related to Texan fans only and intentionally annoying is obvious or I wouldn't be wasting my time with this post):

1. GET ATTENTION- I highly doubt people r on here in order to get attention for its own end, but rather to talk about something they care about and invest their personal time in what we call---> Texan football.

2. CAUSE TROUBLE- I believe they are stating their beliefs and not to inflame some other person and make personal attack on board. This would make sense why every other pro football message board I have gone to only calls visiting team's fans trolls.

3. A well-constructed troll will provoke irate or confused responses from flamers and newbies.- I don't see many NEWBIES calling others TROLLS here. Matter of fact, I mostly see established daily/weekly posters calling other Texan fans they don't agree with and in most cases are sporadic posters to the site TROLLS.

I WOULD LOOK IN MIRROR B4 I CALLED ANOTHER FELLOW TEXAN FAN A TROLL!!!!!:cool:

Last post on this subject b/c it is a waste of TEXAN TIME!!!!
PEACE!:cool:

[CoogBull]

I really don't understand the personal attacks on any Texan fan (Troll or whatever u want to call them or not). We all want to see Texans win.

Last time I checked this is a forum for ALL TEXAN fans not a forum for only the Kool-Aid drinkers, the daily/weekly posters, or the realists. ALL TEXAN FANS.

I personally, find it refreshing for people to post their thoughts on here elucidating their opinions on how to improve our team (except when they personally attack others or me...and yes I will bite back to the Nth degree).

Bottom Line---> This league is about WINS AND LOSSES not about how u played the game (Go teach ur amateurs the pleasures of good sportsmanship). We obviously are on the loss side of the equation and there's something to constructive criticism for a WINNING team and even more for a LOSING team.

GO TEXANS (esp the REALISTS)!!!!!

You are right.

I am down on this team. They deserve it. I would love them to shut me up. If I was not complaining it would either be because I do not care, or because they have fixed the problems. If it was the former, I would not waste my time on these boards.

Still, I am not all down on this team. When the season started, I had three main concerns: the lack of a running game, no pass rush, and a terrible secondary.

We have fixed the rushing game. Slaton still does not have a 100 yard game, but he is showing that he has talent and can play at the pro level.

[ojthecat]

1. Where on here did I say a troll is or is not a realist?

2. Why don't you specifically define what a troll is

TROLL : One who refuses to drink the koolaid and at the same time disagrees with those who do.

[Wolf123]

You obviously don't care what anyone says. But here are the "no talent" players that Casserly drafted for everyone else's benefit:

Andre Johnson (Pro Bowl)
Dunta Robinson (Pro Bowl)
DeMeco Ryans (Rookie of the Year)
Travis Johnson
Mario Williams
Eric Winston
Owen Daniels
Chester Pitts



And no, I'm not happy with our offense. It falls apart inside the 20. It is a stat machine against bad teams, but it isn't consistent.

Ah Casserly had no power in the draft room. He drafted Andre, Dunta, Travis, Chester- thats it in his entire tenure as GM!! Everyone else came along once kubiak or smith got here.

[SuperstarII]

I've been touring other NFL team's websites and whenever they mention troll reference it is always toward visiting Team's fan who is causing problems or seeking attention, not to attack a fellow hometown team fan.

I looked up troll in the Cambridge dictionary (def for computing):

troll (COMPUTING) Show phonetics
verb [I or T]
to leave an intentionally annoying message on a part of the Internet in order to get attention or cause trouble:
His hobby is trolling for newbies.

troll Show phonetics
noun [C]
A well-constructed troll will provoke irate or confused responses from flamers and newbies.

It says here it has to be a post to get attention or cause trouble. Well, three main points here I believe and I will expound on each (as related to Texan fans only and intentionally annoying is obvious or I wouldn't be wasting my time with this post):

1. GET ATTENTION- I highly doubt people r on here in order to get attention, but rather to talk about something they care about and invest their personal time in or what we call---> Texan football.

2. CAUSE TROUBLE- I believe they are stating their beliefs and not to inflame some other person and make personal attack on board. This would make sense why every other pro football message board I have gone to only calls visiting team's fans trolls.

3. A well-constructed troll will provoke irate or confused responses from flamers and newbies.- I don't see many NEWBIES calling others TROLLS here. Matter of fact, I mostly see established daily/weekly posters calling other Texan fans they don't agree with and in most cases are sporadic posters to the site TROLLS.

I WOULD LOOK IN MIRROR B4 I CALLED ANOTHER FELLOW TEXAN FAN A TROLL!!!!!:cool:

Last post on this subject b/c it is a waste of TEXAN TIME!!!!
PEACE!:cool:


lol

[Sportswriter79]

Ah Casserly had no power in the draft room. He drafted Andre, Dunta, Travis, Chester- thats it in his entire tenure as GM!! Everyone else came along once kubiak or smith got here.

Not true.

[Wolf123]

Not true.

Great rebutle. So insightful

[BIG ERN]

Trolls should root for the packers

[silvrhand]

You obviously don't care what anyone says. But here are the "no talent" players that Casserly drafted for everyone else's benefit:

Andre Johnson (Pro Bowl)
Dunta Robinson (Pro Bowl)
DeMeco Ryans (Rookie of the Year)
Travis Johnson
Mario Williams
Eric Winston
Owen Daniels
Chester Pitts



And no, I'm not happy with our offense. It falls apart inside the 20. It is a stat machine against bad teams, but it isn't consistent.

That is because we can't run the ball and inside the 20 the coverage is MUCH easier to tighten as you can't stretch the field. We have to improve the size of our offensive line and get a real short yardage back that can stay healthy. We have green who runs hard, but just isn't dependable. Slaton is just not big enough to run when the other teams knows we are going to run on a short field/yardage situation.

[spurstexanstros]

dude, chill with your bad self. I have been a fan since its conception. I am tired of mediocre football. you want mediocre football then be a fan of the Bengels. you sir have serious pride issues and pride is the worst sin....
Really??????? I guess fans can stop being fanatics (which the word fan comes from) Being proud to be a Texan fan is not a sin. The real sin is anyone on here thinking they know better than thos within the organization, because if yall truly did...well you wouldnt be posting here. I think the OP is right. Y'all are very quiet when the win, when they loose is when you come out of the closet. I am a fan becauses its my team win or loose. Lossing sucks, but it will do nothing to weaken my love of the Texans. i am not a bandwagon jumper or Fairweather Johnson. I think we know who is.
Originally Posted by SuperstarII
I am a full fledged Astros fan. I am just fairweather fan of the Texans now.


Sorry Nick.....

7 years of this mediocre football and other teams like Miami and Falcons doing good football is all I can take anymore.
Originally Posted by SuperstarII

You said it.....we shall remember it.( end of superstarII quote)

So keep on patting yourself on the back, and proclaiming that your knowledge is superior. however...things said will always be remembered.

[ojthecat]

Really??????? I guess fans can stop being fanatics (which the word fan comes from) Being proud to be a Texan fan is not a sin. The real sin is anyone on here thinking they know better than thos within the organization, because if yall truly did...well you wouldnt be posting here. I think the OP is right. Y'all are very quiet when the win, when they loose is when you come out of the closet. I am a fan becauses its my team win or loose. Lossing sucks, but it will do nothing to weaken my love of the Texans. i am not a bandwagon jumper or Fairweather Johnson. I think we know who is.
Originally Posted by SuperstarII
I am a full fledged Astros fan. I am just fairweather fan of the Texans now.


Sorry Nick.....

7 years of this mediocre football and other teams like Miami and Falcons doing good football is all I can take anymore.
Originally Posted by SuperstarII

You said it.....we shall remember it.( end of superstarII quote)

So keep on patting yourself on the back, and proclaiming that your knowledge is superior. however...things said will always be remembered.

Who said that because we critisise the desision process of both the coaches and the managment that we do not root for the Texans. I am there every Sunday and will be until they move or price me out of my seats. I bleed battle red that said in 7 years we havent even sniffed the playoffs.

Their is a simple way to measure the effectiveness of managment in the NFL and the fact is for the last 7 years have not once had a winning record. This fact proves that Managment is not doing a competent job.

I can't wait for the day when we are hosting playoff games at Reliant I just hope that I will be young enought to enjoy them.

[wildroot]

Hey, many don't find the need to pick apart the team when we win. Cause we WON! That's the point. It's all good. Don't change anything.

When the losses start mounting or the team is looking bad is when most of us post, we're all GM wanna-bees. That's the point of a message board.

If you want to waste your time applying labels to every kind of poster, knock yourself out. Be the poster police if it makes you feel important. It's your right.

[Sportswriter79]

Great rebutle. So insightful

"Rebuttal."

And it had as much depth as your baseless assertion required.

[Sportswriter79]

That is because we can't run the ball and inside the 20 the coverage is MUCH easier to tighten as you can't stretch the field. We have to improve the size of our offensive line and get a real short yardage back that can stay healthy. We have green who runs hard, but just isn't dependable. Slaton is just not big enough to run when the other teams knows we are going to run on a short field/yardage situation.

You said it. Add the always injured Ahman Green and the newly signed "running back of the week" into the mix and you have a backfield that no other NFL team fears. Dayne would be an upgrade over those last two.

[Wolf123]

"Rebuttal."

And it had as much depth as your baseless assertion required.

My baseless assertion? I'm not the one believeing that Casserly ran the entire 2006 draft room. He had terrible drafts in everyone one and then you think he just pulled off the best draft in texans history?

[spurstexanstros]

Who said that because we critisise the desision process of both the coaches and the managment that we do not root for the Texans. I am there every Sunday and will be until they move or price me out of my seats. I bleed battle red that said in 7 years we havent even sniffed the playoffs.

Their is a simple way to measure the effectiveness of managment in the NFL and the fact is for the last 7 years have not once had a winning record. This fact proves that Managment is not doing a competent job.

I can't wait for the day when we are hosting playoff games at Reliant I just hope that I will be young enought to enjoy them.

There is a difference between criticizing and being a fair weather fan....I really dont care but if we hold cowboy fan as bandwagonners and rip them, we must maintain loyalty..criticize away. I do... I just still love my team even though they continue to put petey faggins on the field. or ignore the San Antonio fans or not stop some one on third down. I do have a problem with others making us koolaid drinkers look bad because of our blind loyalty....who cares I love this team win or loose.

[Sportswriter79]

My baseless assertion? I'm not the one believeing that Casserly ran the entire 2006 draft room. He had terrible drafts in everyone one and then you think he just pulled off the best draft in texans history?

True, you are not the only Casserley critic, but that does not make it correct. The draft is always a gamble, but he did draft some great players who comprise the nucleus of our current team including Andre Johnson, Dunta Robinson, and Mario.

[silvrhand]

True, you are not the only Casserley critic, but that does not make it correct. The draft is always a gamble, but he did draft some great players who comprise the nucleus of our current team including Andre Johnson, Dunta Robinson, and Mario.

Could have been worse, look at the lines and Matt Millen debacle :)

[Sportswriter79]

Could have been worse, look at the lines and Matt Millen debacle :)

You are right about that. The Lions are the worst organization in the league.

Get this:

The Lions are currently 0-8. They are going nowhere this season. Their QB, Dan Orlovsky broke his thumb and will be out for a week or two. Instead of starting their backup QB (Drew Stanton, Michigan State) they picked up Daunte Culpepper of off his couch and are going to start him. If they don't give Stanton a chance now, with nothing at stake, when are they going to give him an opportunity? This is why the Lions suck so bad and no one who has played there has anything good to say about them. With the exception of Barry Sanders, who hated the organization so much he quit in his prime, anyone drafted into the organization has gone nowhere.

While I occasionally get frustrated with the Texans, I am thankful that we don't have a front office like the Lions, Bengals, Raiders, Panthers, Jets, Vikings or any of the other teams that exist just to fill out the NFL schedule.

[Wolf123]

True, you are not the only Casserley critic, but that does not make it correct. The draft is always a gamble, but he did draft some great players who comprise the nucleus of our current team including Andre Johnson, Dunta Robinson, and Mario.

He didn't draft Mario or anyone else in the 2006 draft. He left us with Andre, Dunta, Chester pitts. That all he left us after four years! He was terrible and if it weren't for kubiak and smith this team would have had zero talent.

[srstex]

After reading all these posts I got to tell ya'll, the decision making is at the top of the teams problems. For the first 4 games, it was bad decision after bad decision, weather it was players on the fielf, play calls, or Red or Blue jersey's. I believe Kubiak's stand is, " If at first you don't succeed, try try try again" which is great unless you're talking play calling. also try try try again and expecting a different result is insanity. as too YPA, Completion %, or what ever stat you want, this group of men are playing like a group of men, not a team ( my opinion ) and that is Kubiak's fault.
A football fan uses stats like a drunk uses a lamp post, as support, not enlighenment.

[Sportswriter79]

He didn't draft Mario or anyone else in the 2006 draft. He left us with Andre, Dunta, Chester pitts. That all he left us after four years! He was terrible and if it weren't for kubiak and smith this team would have had zero talent.

Funny. When VY and Reggie were having better rookie seasons and Mario was struggling, everyone blamed the Mario pick on Charley. Now that Mario is coming into his prime, it was Kubiak's pick.

[Seeing Red]

Yeah, that worked real well last time didn't it. While I expect the team to win, I also understand that they were put in a very deep hole by Asserly and co. that they are digging out of it and are still a bit short on the talent side of things. This group didn't even start at the point that the Asserly group did when they did the original start up. They started at a minus from the original starting point. I'm sorry your feelings are hurt that you cant' whip it out around the old water cooler and say "See, my team is better than yours". My recommendation is to just donate your tickets and PSL so that you don't have to feel embarrassed or bad about game day to a needy family/church group and then go snivel on some other teams board, that way you can take the tax write off. Titans have opening as I understand it and they are 8-0 which should make you feel like hero.

Really??? For someone who complains about "Trolls" this entire comment you posted seems pretty bitter and nonsensical to me.... If you want to be taken seriously maybe you should have a better argument than telling a PSL ticket holder to give his tickets away to charity for speaking his mind.

Have you seen the attendance lately? These people are not alone in their reactions and a lot are simply showing it by not going to the games.

I love the Texans, they are my hometown team. But high expectations have a lot of people in shock right now. Im starting to resign to the fact that were still not a playoff team, or even in the hunt for a wildcard.

Something serious needs to change before we can consistently beat teams other than the bottom feeders.

I still hold hope.... and its slipping slowly

[spurstexanstros]

Funny. When VY and Reggie were having better rookie seasons and Mario was struggling, everyone blamed the Mario pick on Charley. Now that Mario is coming into his prime, it was Kubiak's pick.

must have missed the charlie casserly was right threads

[edo783]

must have missed the charlie casserly was right threads

Yeah, guess I was out of town that day.

[Hustler]

i've been touring other nfl team's websites and whenever they mention troll reference it is always toward visiting team's fan who is causing problems or seeking attention, not to attack a fellow hometown team fan.

i looked up troll in the cambridge dictionary (def for computing):

Troll (computing) show phonetics
verb [i or t]
to leave an intentionally annoying message on a part of the internet in order to get attention or cause trouble:
His hobby is trolling for newbies.

Troll show phonetics
noun [c]
a well-constructed troll will provoke irate or confused responses from flamers and newbies.

it says here it has to be a post to get attention or cause trouble. Well, three main points here i believe and i will expound on each (as related to texan fans only and intentionally annoying is obvious or i wouldn't be wasting my time with this post):

1. get attention- i highly doubt people r on here in order to get attention for its own end, but rather to talk about something they care about and invest their personal time in what we call---> texan football.

2. cause trouble- i believe they are stating their beliefs and not to inflame some other person and make personal attack on board. this would make sense why every other pro football message board i have gone to only calls visiting team's fans trolls.

3. a well-constructed troll will provoke irate or confused responses from flamers and newbies.- i don't see many newbies calling others trolls here. Matter of fact, i mostly see established daily/weekly posters calling other texan fans they don't agree with and in most cases are sporadic posters to the site trolls.

i would look in mirror b4 i called another fellow texan fan a troll!!!!!:cool:

last post on this subject b/c it is a waste of texan time!!!!
Peace!:cool:

implosion!!!!!

[ojthecat]

Ok, in the words of Rob Schneider in the Waterboy

"We sauck again"

[gmoneytexans08]

Its funny that when we win three straught its pretty quiet on here just the main everyday people but as soon as we lose one game its over flowing with negitive post (like bench schaub, fire kubiak, cut jacoby, steve slaton isnt a nfl starting RB ) but hey i guess thats what keeps me posting on here disagreeing with with all the fair weather, bandwagon jumping, pestimestic wanna be fans....whew sorry to any real Texan Fans reading this im just venting ...............


PS. Welcome back trolls i kinda missed you guys when we were winning

BRING ON THE VENTING!!!!! Every fan has a right to vent and have an opinion...

[gmoneytexans08]

implosion!!!!!

WOW a definition for Troll...I thought those were the imaginary monsters that hide under bridges...WOW


So what is the definition of a positive or happy poster or the word???


:)