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coachdent
11-17-2008, 05:49 PM
Probably one of the few times I have addressed the defensive side of the ball here because my forte is offense. But I had to say a few things about Sunday and what I saw.

Here's the state of affairs that Rick Smith needs to understand very clearly....

FIRST: Mario Williams is one of THE most dominant defensive ends in football. He clearly changes the way offenses attack the Texans. As the Texans ran away from Dwight Freeney, the Colts ran exclusively away from Mario. Every time they ran to Mario's side, it was for meager gains and losses. They checked out of plays when he flipped to the other side and just would not challenge him. Well Ricky, you need to understand this and play defense around your lynchpin.

The vanilla 4-2, nickel defense employed by Smith that bent and bent and bent with the ferociousness of the cowardly lion was embarassing. To just sit back and let Manning pick you apart and rely solely on Mario Williams to provide pressure should have you walking to the unemployment lines fairly soon. One man cannot do it alone.

The few times the Texans blitzed, they did so in incredibly unsound ways. First, they blitzed each time TO Mario's side. Now I ask you...what the hell are you bringing pressure TO Mario's side when he is shutting down that side of the earth? WHY would you FORCE the Colts to run AND pass to the right side...AWAY from your premier pass rusher and run stopper? Are you serious? Funnel your pressure from the spot where you can't stop anyone Rick! Bring pressure over there and then they CAN'T keep the back in to double Mario, he has to pick up the blitzer.

Next, they caught a break on a blitz by Dunta Robinson..again to Mario's side. The back went to the one receiver side who was lined up tight. This was a third and short play too. Addai went out of the backfield and there was NO ONE there to cover him. I want to say that Bennett was playing zone and funnelled Gonzalez inside and then turned late to go with Addai, but this is just an unsound blitz. You are leaving Addai alone on the edge to at the very least get a first down and worst case scenario, score. Luckily, the pass was dropped, but that was a silly defensive scheme.

The other scheme did result in a touchdown as the Colts came back to the back out of the backfield. When you play vanilla ice cream cone defense, an offense can DICTATE where you line up. The Colts went trips left and that forced the Adibi to that side and left Demeco one on one with the entire right side of the field to cover the back. The Texans brought NO PRESSURE...suprise...and Demeco was forced to try to stay with Addai one on one. A mismatch to be sure with Addai against an outside linebacker, but against an inside/middle backer? Please. That is not even a contest. Addai walked past Ryan for an easy six whilst Smitty sat by watching along with the other zone players playing in the end zone to avoid the 40 yard bomb on the 23 yard line. For the Texans were in a defense called MAN UNDER there. Two safeties up top, to prevent the deep ball, and man-to-man with everyone else underneath. It was 3rd and 8. They went man-to-man underneath and brought no pressure.

I watched the Eagles game when the Texan game cut off and the Eagles blitzed like mad men and came from so many different directions it was unreal. They CREATED pressure and forced the QB to make quick decisons. I salivate for that kind of a defensive philosophy.

SECONDLY: Back to the 4-2 nickel BS. You cannot stand to play Peyton Manning and sit in the same **** defense play after play. You cannot sit there with two safeties playing as if the were playing deep centerfield at Minute Maid Park on the warning track. Yes Reggie Wayne is a bit of a deep threat. But Harrison is no longer. Clark is not a deep threat either. Marginally, Gonzalez is a threat deep, but he has been in a funk catching the ball. If you are forcing the Colts to go to Gonzalez repeatedly, you stand a better chance than to allow Harrison and Wayne free reign anywhere within 20 yards. Reggie Wayne ran a square in at 15 yards on 3rd and 15 for 20 yards. The play got called back for motion and then Reggie Wayne ran a square in at 20 yards for a first down. That sucks like no one's business and that is the business of the coordinator.

Another defensive set that just about had me destroying my beautiful 60 inch plasma was on ANOTHER 3rd and 18 play, Ricky had our fearsome, former all-pro linebacker LINED UP 18 YARDS DEEP AND DROPPING!!!!!!! They dumped a ball to the back and Demeco comes INTO the picture 2 yards short of the first down marker. He makes the tackle and the runner falls forward for a first down. If it were me? I would have turned to my defensive coordinator right there and said, "you're fired". Get the hell off my sideline. Get off of this field or I will have security remove you. Cause that is just SERIOUS STUPID.

Three field goals and a punt in the first half is more than admirable against the Colts. I'll take nine points at half. But THREE consecutive touchdowns in the third and giving up a 16 play field goal drive in the fourth that chewed up seven minutes of clock? Get out. Get out. Get out. That's 8 drives and forcing one punt and giving up seven scores. Putrid. 4 minutes of possession when the Texans were ball-controlling like a summama*****? Get out.

You can't expect our offense to put up 34 points in Indy. Defensively, you've got to come to the table with something more than we're just gonna hang on for dear life and hope they keep dropping balls.

Matt_in_KW
11-17-2008, 05:53 PM
WAIT...we blitzed?

Must of missed that or thought I was imagining it.

Plain and simple, SMITH MUST GO! No matter for the most part who we stick in a DC, it can't be much worse than Smith has been.

Texan Heat
11-17-2008, 06:17 PM
WAIT...we blitzed?

According to Mr. Smith, that's one too many :mad:

tyhague
11-17-2008, 06:28 PM
you did a hell of a job explaining that for someone who says that offense is their forte. As someone whose forte is defense you did exceptionally well. It's one thing to line up in nickel when you have quality db's on third and long but we obviously have db's who are very poor. Also i agree completely on the blitzing and have said this repeatedly that our blitz scheme's are unbelievably strange. Granted we do not have linebackers whose abilities are to rush the quarterback well, but we at least need to provide some sort of pressure besides a double teamed and chipped mario williams. Smith is a joke, and everyone in the NFL knows it. Soon he might cost the GM and the Head Coach their jobs as well.

aj.
11-17-2008, 06:51 PM
Coach, you do realize they flipped Mario from strong to weak side quite a bit right? I did a quick review of the first quarter and a bit and I saw him at RDE on 12 plays and LDE on 7 up to the point of Dunta's backside blitz at 11:43 of the 2nd. That blitz came from the weakside while Mario was strong side. That's the 3rd and 5 that Addai dropped. They move him a lot and I'm pretty sure it continued that way throughout the game.

Texan Heat
11-17-2008, 06:55 PM
Coach, you do realize they flipped Mario from strong to weak side quite a bit right? I did a quick review of the first half and I saw him at RDE on 12 plays and LDE on 7 up through the Dunta blitz at 11:43 of the 2nd. That Dunta blitz came from the weakside while Mario was strong side. They move him a lot and I'm pretty sure it continued that way throughout the game.

Key words there are first half... for some reason the D wasn't performing in the second like they did in the first. They made adjustments but we didn't when it was necessary.

aj.
11-17-2008, 07:01 PM
Key words there are first half... for some reason the D wasn't performing in the second like they did in the first. They made adjustments but we didn't when it was necessary.

I was responding specifically to the comment about the backside blitz by Dunta coming from Mario's side, which it didn't. In this case my comment wasn't about general defensive performance or adjustments.

Texan Heat
11-17-2008, 07:15 PM
I was responding specifically to the comment about the backside blitz by Dunta coming from Mario's side, which it didn't. In this case my comment wasn't about general defensive performance or adjustments.

Wasn't trying to argue against your point. I was using your statement to make a statement that the D was doing the same thing without the same results. The Colts changed their approach while we expected the same result from the first half while not making those necessary changes in return.

coachdent
11-17-2008, 08:15 PM
Coach, you do realize they flipped Mario from strong to weak side quite a bit right? I did a quick review of the first quarter and a bit and I saw him at RDE on 12 plays and LDE on 7 up to the point of Dunta's backside blitz at 11:43 of the 2nd. That blitz came from the weakside while Mario was strong side. That's the 3rd and 5 that Addai dropped. They move him a lot and I'm pretty sure it continued that way throughout the game.
The issue is not moving Mario. Indy kept Freeney on Brown's side exclusively all game long. Houston ran away from him all game long. Shame on Indy for not moving him around.

The issue is, when you have a shutdown defensive end, regardless of what side he lines up on, you play your defense the other way. You blitz to the other side. You put your weaker corner to Mario's side because Manning has to throw over him. Very rarely did Manning throw over Mario. But to bring pressure to the same side makes no sense. This was compounded by the fact that Indy is a "check with me" offense that audibles into the best play. They predicated their run plays BASED on where Mario was. They ran the other way. I'm a defensive coordinator..what do I do? I bring mad pressure off of the other side in the form of a run blitz or a pass blitz. Force the back to move over to the other side of the formation to pick up a blitzer coming off the other edge.

My memory of that particular blitz and the three or four other times that they came was that they brought from the same side as Mario. I deleted my dvr of the game, but had taken notes during the game and noted three instances when we blitzed to the same side as Mario. If I am wrong about Dunta's blitz, then I stand corrected in bringing to Mario's side. However, the other point of that blitz was the unsound nature of leaving a back completely free in the red zone and playing zone behind it.

aj.
11-17-2008, 09:36 PM
My memory of that particular blitz and the three or four other times that they came was that they brought from the same side as Mario. I deleted my dvr of the game, but had taken notes during the game and noted three instances when we blitzed to the same side as Mario. If I am wrong about Dunta's blitz, then I stand corrected in bringing to Mario's side. However, the other point of that blitz was the unsound nature of leaving a back completely free in the red zone and playing zone behind it.

Dunta's blitz - at least the one on the play I described - came from the opposite side of Mario. I didn't go any further during my review. Watching the Bills/Browns now....

Matt_in_KW
11-18-2008, 03:40 AM
WAIT...we blitzed?

According to Mr. Smith, that's one too many :mad:

Well, he will allow 1 blitz per 8 games. :D

done88
11-18-2008, 10:54 AM
Can they try something other then the X stunt please. I saw it at least 5 times the other day. It does not work if the other team expects it. The Texans run it all the time. How bout having a really athletic tackle say Amobi stunt a gap every now and again instead of taking on blockers. Just something different I don't care what. The defensive backs are cycled through like a merry go round. At some point you have to say maybe its not just the players. Maybe it's the system.

coachdent
11-18-2008, 11:52 AM
Can they try something other then the X stunt please. I saw it at least 5 times the other day. It does not work if the other team expects it. The Texans run it all the time. How bout having a really athletic tackle say Amobi stunt a gap every now and again instead of taking on blockers. Just something different I don't care what. The defensive backs are cycled through like a merry go round. At some point you have to say maybe its not just the players. Maybe it's the system.
As a high school coach, our offensive line works stunts and blitzes on Wednesday. Regardless of who we play, we have a period where all we do is handle X-stunts. In and of themselves, they are not difficult stunts to handle at all. One of the negatives with an X stunt is that your most athletic player (Mario) is no longer the outside contain man. Several times Manning was able to move to his left in the pocket and half roll to buy more time.

X-Stunts are most effective and, from my offensive standpoint, more problematic when they have a linebacker firing inside the X stunt. The various stunts are:

DE - DT - LB : DEnd comes down hard first, the DT slants outside and the LB blitzes between the the two.

DT - LB - DE : The DT goes first to the outside while the linebacker blitzes the gap inside the DT and then the DE comes late through the X

LB - DE - DT : The linebacker fires outside and has contain and the DE & DT X Stunt.

When you do all three, you can X stunt to your heart's content and be complex enough to keep the offensive line guessing. I agree that the imagination is sorely lacking on the defensive side of the ball.

Texan Naija
11-18-2008, 12:08 PM
Given the fact that he is our fastest corner, I don't get why we haven't had Reeves run in on a blitz or two. Him rushing from one side and Mario the other should open it up for one of our DTs or the other DE.


Provided the other DE isn't Weaver.

coachdent
11-18-2008, 12:19 PM
Given the fact that he is our fastest corner, I don't get why we haven't had Reeves run in on a blitz or two. Him rushing from one side and Mario the other should open it up for one of our DTs or the other DE.


Provided the other DE isn't Weaver.I like. This defense could be a very good defense and could be dominant if we attacked. Smith has a defensive scheme that puts handcuffs on players and forces them to play within a system. Take of the **** chains and let them unleash some pain and some aggressiveness.

Because the Eagles are my local market, I see a lot of them. Also been to a number of their camps. I tell you right now, if Jim Johnson is coordinating this defense...right now,m with this talent and the same set of circumstances...we're losing to the Steelers and possibly the Ravens. No questions. Not an exaggeration. The Ravens game was a six point game going into the fourth quarter.

Get his *** out of here and bring in an aggressive defensive guru who will pressure the hell out of people and get Reliant rockin' with some sick, nasty demeanor defense that punishes people.

done88
11-18-2008, 12:45 PM
As a high school coach, our offensive line works stunts and blitzes on Wednesday. Regardless of who we play, we have a period where all we do is handle X-stunts. In and of themselves, they are not difficult stunts to handle at all. One of the negatives with an X stunt is that your most athletic player (Mario) is no longer the outside contain man. Several times Manning was able to move to his left in the pocket and half roll to buy more time.

X-Stunts are most effective and, from my offensive standpoint, more problematic when they have a linebacker firing inside the X stunt. The various stunts are:

DE - DT - LB : DEnd comes down hard first, the DT slants outside and the LB blitzes between the the two.

DT - LB - DE : The DT goes first to the outside while the linebacker blitzes the gap inside the DT and then the DE comes late through the X

LB - DE - DT : The linebacker fires outside and has contain and the DE & DT X Stunt.

When you do all three, you can X stunt to your heart's content and be complex enough to keep the offensive line guessing. I agree that the imagination is sorely lacking on the defensive side of the ball.

I appreciate the breakdown and agree that with some creativity it could work.

A-B
11-18-2008, 02:13 PM
I like. This defense could be a very good defense and could be dominant if we attacked. Smith has a defensive scheme that puts handcuffs on players and forces them to play within a system. Take of the **** chains and let them unleash some pain and some aggressiveness.

Because the Eagles are my local market, I see a lot of them. Also been to a number of their camps. I tell you right now, if Jim Johnson is coordinating this defense...right now,m with this talent and the same set of circumstances...we're losing to the Steelers and possibly the Ravens. No questions. Not an exaggeration. The Ravens game was a six point game going into the fourth quarter.

Get his *** out of here and bring in an aggressive defensive guru who will pressure the hell out of people and get Reliant rockin' with some sick, nasty demeanor defense that punishes people.

Yeah he needs to be gone. You brought up a good point about a play on your initlal post. Addai dropped that pass and there were several other passes they dropped in wide open space. They catch those passes and we are talkin about a totally different game that wasnt winnable in the fourth quarter.

Matt_in_KW
11-18-2008, 03:07 PM
I appreciate the breakdown and agree that with some creativity it could work.


Only issue...Richard Smith has not 1 creative bone in his body.