Should we think about trading A Johnson?

[jollytrails]

Bunch of us are talking about what to do to fix the Texans and I read in the past when this topic was brought up - but I wanted to revisit the issue given that we have SO many holes to fill.

AJ is without a doubt our most valuable commodity. If Roy Williams can bring in a 1st, 3rd, and 6th (I think it was a 6th too...) - then what can Andre Johnson bring in?

My thought is we look into trading AJ for proven DL or CB help and a pick. AJ is undoubtedly great, but WR is a position of strength for us and our Def is much more important, I believe.

Something like:

Oakland -
DE Kalimba Edwards - 31 tackles, 5 sacks - (3rd round equivalent value)
+
DT Gerard Warren - (5th round equivalent value)
+
1st round draft pick

I have no idea who is available by trade, but Edwards is their 3rd DE and Warren has played really good DT for 2 years now...Both could start for us....

When guys like Shaun Rogers are traded on the cheap - what starting material on the DL could be had for cheap value?

So - would it be worth exploring these options with AJ on the board?

Who would be good targets?

[zanth91]

Already another thread on this. Just note that you'll be flamed so much we'd think you were firewood. Just a warning.

[buffalo2006]

Why would you even think about trading the best player on the team, since obviously we are not playoff material we are still in the building stage. And then why would we trade to get players from Oakland they are worse off then we are.

[canadtexan]

Bunch of us are talking about what to do to fix the Texans and I read in the past when this topic was brought up - but I wanted to revisit the issue given that we have SO many holes to fill.

AJ is without a doubt our most valuable commodity. If Roy Williams can bring in a 1st, 3rd, and 6th (I think it was a 6th too...) - then what can Andre Johnson bring in?

My thought is we look into trading AJ for proven DL or CB help and a pick. AJ is undoubtedly great, but WR is a position of strength for us and our Def is much more important, I believe.

Something like:

Oakland -
DE Kalimba Edwards - 31 tackles, 5 sacks - (3rd round equivalent value)
+
DT Gerard Warren - (5th round equivalent value)
+
1st round draft pick

I have no idea who is available by trade, but Edwards is their 3rd DE and Warren has played really good DT for 2 years now...Both could start for us....

When guys like Shaun Rogers are traded on the cheap - what starting material on the DL could be had for cheap value?

So - would it be worth exploring these options with AJ on the board?

Who would be good targets?

I love our recieving corps but it is good because of Andre , without him all others will find it a lot tougher ! We have become a top 5 offense , does lowering that to make our defense better reaaly help us ? Not to mention the intangible of being one of the best team players in the league.

[wildroot]

IMO we have 90% of the players we need to be sucssesful. Now if we could only trade the coaching staff....

[buffsoldier]

Wow, trade ANDRE JOHNSON thats like asking the Vikings to trade Adrian Peterson. Fans would burn down Reliant.....:confused:

[steelbtexan]

Bunch of us are talking about what to do to fix the Texans and I read in the past when this topic was brought up - but I wanted to revisit the issue given that we have SO many holes to fill.

AJ is without a doubt our most valuable commodity. If Roy Williams can bring in a 1st, 3rd, and 6th (I think it was a 6th too...) - then what can Andre Johnson bring in?

My thought is we look into trading AJ for proven DL or CB help and a pick. AJ is undoubtedly great, but WR is a position of strength for us and our Def is much more important, I believe.

Something like:

Oakland -
DE Kalimba Edwards - 31 tackles, 5 sacks - (3rd round equivalent value)
+
DT Gerard Warren - (5th round equivalent value)
+
1st round draft pick

I have no idea who is available by trade, but Edwards is their 3rd DE and Warren has played really good DT for 2 years now...Both could start for us....

When guys like Shaun Rogers are traded on the cheap - what starting material on the DL could be had for cheap value?

So - would it be worth exploring these options with AJ on the board?

Who would be good targets?


Funny stuff

Puff-Puff-Pass

[BIG ERN]

Why do people keep re-posting this thread????GET A LIFE JERKY!

[superdave532]

"Should we think about trading A(ndre) Johnson?"

No. No we should not.

[HJam72]

One in the hand is better than two in the bush, or however that goes.

You don't trade a known commodity for picks that could turnout worthless, or not worth nearly as much anyway.

With AJ, OD and Walter are both open, and he can make a few plays without even being open. Without him, NOBODY is open.

[txnsfan92]

ARE YOU SERIOUS?? While we are at it why not throw in D. Ryans, D. Robinson, M. Williams and just for sh--s and giggles P. Faggins (that last name was a real proposition by the way).

[moses77550]

Bunch of us are talking about what to do to fix the Texans and I read in the past when this topic was brought up - but I wanted to revisit the issue given that we have SO many holes to fill.

AJ is without a doubt our most valuable commodity. If Roy Williams can bring in a 1st, 3rd, and 6th (I think it was a 6th too...) - then what can Andre Johnson bring in?

My thought is we look into trading AJ for proven DL or CB help and a pick. AJ is undoubtedly great, but WR is a position of strength for us and our Def is much more important, I believe.

Something like:

Oakland -
DE Kalimba Edwards - 31 tackles, 5 sacks - (3rd round equivalent value)
+
DT Gerard Warren - (5th round equivalent value)
+
1st round draft pick

I have no idea who is available by trade, but Edwards is their 3rd DE and Warren has played really good DT for 2 years now...Both could start for us....

When guys like Shaun Rogers are traded on the cheap - what starting material on the DL could be had for cheap value?

So - would it be worth exploring these options with AJ on the board?

Who would be good targets?

our recieving corp is our strength because of AJ. So to trade him would be stupid and set this franchise back even more. When he turns 33 then trade him.

[powerhouse713]

This thread is so dumb. I am not one to criticize threads but I cant hold this one in. Trading your best player for some scrubs and a draft pick really. Trade a elite wide reciever, for some defensive lineman. Wide reciever is one of the hardest positions to replace and ones as good as him dont come around very often. Johnson is what makes the other recievers so good, he commands multiple players in coverage leaving the other recievers with one on one matchups. Trading Johnson is like the Colts trading peyton manning. If we trade him, it will set back the team even further that it already is. The only way the texans would ever trade him is if a team offered multiple 1st round picks.

[fshaw]

NO Way

[TEXANottoMAN]

Bunch of us are talking about what to do to fix the Texans and I read in the past when this topic was brought up - but I wanted to revisit the issue given that we have SO many holes to fill.

AJ is without a doubt our most valuable commodity. If Roy Williams can bring in a 1st, 3rd, and 6th (I think it was a 6th too...) - then what can Andre Johnson bring in?

My thought is we look into trading AJ for proven DL or CB help and a pick. AJ is undoubtedly great, but WR is a position of strength for us and our Def is much more important, I believe.

Something like:

Oakland -
DE Kalimba Edwards - 31 tackles, 5 sacks - (3rd round equivalent value)
+
DT Gerard Warren - (5th round equivalent value)
+
1st round draft pick

I have no idea who is available by trade, but Edwards is their 3rd DE and Warren has played really good DT for 2 years now...Both could start for us....

When guys like Shaun Rogers are traded on the cheap - what starting material on the DL could be had for cheap value?

So - would it be worth exploring these options with AJ on the board?

Who would be good targets?

Somebody has been hitting the Patron too hard

[buffalo2006]

Your adopted, your parents don't even love you.

[bigdave]

Lay off the guy. He was just trying to explore ways to give this team a badly needed blood transfusion. I have 4 Texan jersies, and 3 of them are #80. My point, I am a huge AJ fan and would hate to see him go anywhere. I don't think we should trade him at all...but...I see dudes point that he is our most valuable commodity and it's getting to the point that we may have to make a sacrifice for the good of our team....just not AJ. How else are we gonna get a DB or two, a DT, a DE, and any of the other positions where we need serious help?

[revan]

What the hell is up with the bashing!!???. It was just his opinion, damm, its not like he is the general manager and is going to do it. Dam this forum is filled with haters who are quick to bash their fellow fans. I dont agree with it but I aint gon bash the guy just for stating his opinion, jeez get another hobby.

[A-B]

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[TEXANBRONCO]

how in the world could trading AJ help us? dont even think about it...dont even talk about it....shhhhhhhh the problem is DEFENSE not the OFFENSE. another worthless thread:D

[HJam72]

No, there's no need for bashing, but it's not a good idea. When this team does turn it on and start getting it really right, AJ will still be the best player on the team. The man has Superbowl TDs written all over him.

All this team needs to really do is get a draft or two really right and replace the DC. We won 8 games last year with the same group. Bennett could break out of his sophomore slump. D-Rob could come all the way back. Schaub could finally stay healthy for a while and Rosencopter could grow back his brain. Okoye could turn it on. Okam could start stuffing the run like nobody's business. There are so many things that could go right and I haven't mentioned what could happen with those future draft picks. If Reeves alone would just learn when to turn around and look for the ball.

What many don't realize is that this team has actually won about the normal amount of games through its first seven seasons, not counting teams that had huge advantages starting out, like Jax and Carolina. Granted, we've been up and down a lot more, but it all averages out. This team just needs more time. No way you can tell me this team is only one game better than the 2-14 team we had a few years ago. We just have crap coaching on one side of the ball and a backup QB who's had brain farts all year (just a really bad year).

2-14 sucked, but we had no business winning 4 games in our first season. 3-7 sux now, but the same bunch went .500 last year. One of the next couple of years, this team will have a break out year. .500 will become a negative thing....soon.

To trade away a guy who could soon become the best player not just at his position but in all of the NFL is a bad idea. AJ has make-TO-look-like-an-amateur-sometime-soon written all over him. He's TO with muscle and a harder work ethic. He could become Jerry Rice on steroids (not literally, of course).

[peldon]

Am I wrong or did AJ just rework his contract to free up some cap room for us? If so, even if we wanted to trade him which I don't, what would be the cap penalty for doing so. I have a feeling that it would hurt us pretty bad.

[jollytrails]

I don't mind the bashing at all. This is a message board for fans to discuss ways to do something about the Texans so obviously I'm fine with tons of people disagreeing with me. It is pretty funny though how ticked people get about discussions.

Anyway - let me clarify a few things that get lost when people start to flame.

I love AJ. I know he is the best we have. We've sucked for a long time - and he is on the team that has sucked forever, so please don't act like he is the end all to us being good again. Stud receivers have been stuck on losing teams for ages.

Also, I would ONLY trade him if DL or CB help were available - multiple pieces - that could start and help us now - in addition to 1st round pick. The idea here being that our team would be better with a strong DEF - specifically DT and DE to help Mario out. Roy W brought in a lot in return - and AJ can bring in more, so I think that a #1 pick + DL/CB help is reasonable.

All of the teams that are winning right now - have great defenses. One great WR on a team doesn't do as much as a stout DL.

Teams winning now have the best defenses in the NFL. Many of them don't have amazing WR.

**Main point - strong DL and defense overall - is MUCH more important than one All-pro WR. So, if we can really improve the DL and upgrade our DEF at the expense of AJ - I'm all for it.

flame away - but when you do - suggest a better plan.

[El Tejano]

My point is that Andre may want a trade real soon to begin with.

[Texan Naija]

What Andre may wants and what we SHOULD do are not the issue.

Right now, even with our errratic QB play, Johnson is one of the top reicievers in the game and he opens up opportunities for other players. But the thing I see with nearly all the other teams, that might want a reciever, is that they have crap defenses. The only losing team with good talent in the secondary is Oakland. No way Andre would want to end up there. Maybe San Diego but has Cromartie looked anywhere near his usual self this season?

We could trade for draft picks but unless we pick up Crabtree in the draft, we are still going to take a huge hit on the offense.


And ultimately, I doubt that many people will bite. Like I said Crabtree might be eligible to be drafted, Chad Ocho-Cinco is probably going to be on the trading block and this season, it is defense that has set the tone. Teams are obviously looking at the NY Giants, Titans and Ravens, after seeing the supposedly offensive juggernauts coming into the season like fall off. I doubt too many teams will be looking to lose a key defensive piece for an offensive one.

[HoustonFan88]

I don't think we should be so quick to jump all over this guy. There is no questioning that we could use more draft picks to address our many needs. There is also no question that Andre Johnson, arguably the best receiver in the league, would generate great value (much more than Roy Williams, and he got a first, third and sixth). I'm of the opinion that a receiver as special as Andre would do more for our team than the players we could draft with those additional picks. Our roster is short of sure-things, and trading a future Hall-of-famer for a chance to strike it rich in the draft just isn't worth it IMHO. He makes our quarterbacks better, and the rest of the receiving corps benefit from the double coverage that he draws. Plus, if we lose him, wide receiver becomes a need for the team, that must be addressed in the draft with one of the picks we'd receive from the trade. All in all, although I love Andre Johnson as a player, and I would love to see him win a Superbowl ring, he is too valuable for the team to part with.

[flatoniakid]

Wow, trade ANDRE JOHNSON thats like asking the Vikings to trade Adrian Peterson. Fans would burn down Reliant.....:confused:
Man, we would burn down Toyota Center, Minute Maid, & Astrodome too ! :D

[flatoniakid]

My point is that Andre may want a trade real soon to begin with.
Not likely, he is pretty much in good shape here.
Regardless of what some people think, the Texans will rise up.
Trading Andrea Johnson is a mistake.:mad:

[TexansFan03]

If we got two first round picks then its a deal. Someone like Philly or Detroit, but yeah, it aint gonna happen folks.

[A-B]

No, there's no need for bashing, but it's not a good idea. When this team does turn it on and start getting it really right, AJ will still be the best player on the team. The man has Superbowl TDs written all over him.

All this team needs to really do is get a draft or two really right and replace the DC. We won 8 games last year with the same group. Bennett could break out of his sophomore slump. D-Rob could come all the way back. Schaub could finally stay healthy for a while and Rosencopter could grow back his brain. Okoye could turn it on. Okam could start stuffing the run like nobody's business. There are so many things that could go right and I haven't mentioned what could happen with those future draft picks. If Reeves alone would just learn when to turn around and look for the ball.

What many don't realize is that this team has actually won about the normal amount of games through its first seven seasons, not counting teams that had huge advantages starting out, like Jax and Carolina. Granted, we've been up and down a lot more, but it all averages out. This team just needs more time. No way you can tell me this team is only one game better than the 2-14 team we had a few years ago. We just have crap coaching on one side of the ball and a backup QB who's had brain farts all year (just a really bad year).

2-14 sucked, but we had no business winning 4 games in our first season. 3-7 sux now, but the same bunch went .500 last year. One of the next couple of years, this team will have a break out year. .500 will become a negative thing....soon.

To trade away a guy who could soon become the best player not just at his position but in all of the NFL is a bad idea. AJ has make-TO-look-like-an-amateur-sometime-soon written all over him. He's TO with muscle and a harder work ethic. He could become Jerry Rice on steroids (not literally, of course).

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Also like I have mentioned in a different thread Kubiak and Smith were pretty much in the negatives as far as this team goes except for AJ D-Rob and a few others. We were in salary cap hell thanks to the previous HC/GM duo. Kubiak has already won more games his 1st 3 seasons(17) then Capers did(16), has had less room to work with and still has 6 games to go. I cant wait until this gets turned around. We know what this team is capable of and we are a few solid moves away.I cant wait to sit back and think about all the times I have bitten my tongue when people have pointed and laughed to say "Your team sucks and always will" so I can remind them about it when we are winning.

[spurstexanstros]

Trade andre?

NO.

[gforce365]

i would hate to trade away our best player, but if we could get a Hershel walker kind of deal, i would be all for it. :D

but seriously, in the scenario he mentions, we loose a player and pick up players in positions of dire need. plus extra draft picks. one of which could be used on a player like Crabtree, who can be a play maker like Johnson. even without Johnson, our WR corps is better than the Jags and Titans. the Chiefs traded away their best player last year and if their draft class pans out, they can be good for a while. you just need good scouts to evaluate rookie talent. its not that crazy an idea. you need more than 1 great player to make your team a contender.

[A-B]

i would hate to trade away our best player, but if we could get a Hershel walker kind of deal, i would be all for it. :D

but seriously, in the scenario he mentions, we loose a player and pick up players in positions of dire need. plus extra draft picks. one of which could be used on a player like Crabtree, who can be a play maker like Johnson. even without Johnson, our WR corps is better than the Jags and Titans. the Chiefs traded away their best player last year and if their draft class pans out, they can be good for a while. you just need good scouts to evaluate rookie talent. its not that crazy an idea. you need more than 1 great player to make your team a contender.

There are too many IFs and could be's in this scenario when we have a solid IS in AJ. Why trade a proven stud WR for a "might be" in Crabtree if he is even available when we pick?

[gforce365]

There are too many IFs and could be's in this scenario when we have a solid IS in AJ. Why trade a proven stud WR for a "might be" in Crabtree if he is even available when we pick?

my point is that trading your best player is not that crzy an idea, it has worked for other teams. to me, its a crap shot either way. we can "rebuild" and hope for the best. or we can hope the team doesn't get so bad that Andre doesnt want to leave on his own.

[A-B]

my point is that trading your best player is not that crzy an idea, it has worked for other teams. to me, its a crap shot either way. we can "rebuild" and hope for the best. or we can hope the team doesn't get so bad that Andre doesnt want to leave on his own.

Yeah I see what you are saying and it might be a good idea if we were not as close as we are. We are closer to being a playoff contender then we are rebuilding and losing AJ would def. be a step back IMO.

[Vincesanity1.0]

Trade AJ to the Titans for Reynaldo Hill!!! he's a CB:D...that'll probably be the death of the division though giving the Titans a legitmate threat at WR

[robertcraft]

No way

[Wolf123]

Don't trade andre! I have his jersey!

[gforce365]

Don't trade andre! I have his jersey!

so do i. it could be a collectors item i guess :D

[robertcraft]

I'm glad you guys are not in charge of this team. Trading away Andre would be like the Patriots trading away a healthy Tom Brady. Actually it would be worse because we don't have any players near as good as A.J.

[TheReaver]

You know like it or not the most interchangeable postions in football are RBs and WRs. The least is QB hands down.

Really think about it if you have stud O-linemen, D-linemen, CBs and a QB you would be fine. At the NFL level every RB can hit a hole for 4-5 yards, it's just finishing the run for 80 yards that everyone can't do. Almost every WR can find a hole in a zone or beat most man coverage given enough time. Every LB can tackle most backs.

I'm not saying there is no difference between Shawn Merriman and Marlon Greenwood, or Andre Johnson and Justin Gage. The thing is though if you can fill in positions that are a necessity for one that isn't that big of one you should entertain it.

This does not mean I would be in favor of trading Andre for a 1st round pick, but I would certainly consider trading him to the Dolphins for Jake Long and two first round picks. (Not that they would consider such a trade but you get my point.)

[mmtex63]

Bunch of us are talking about what to do to fix the Texans and I read in the past when this topic was brought up - but I wanted to revisit the issue given that we have SO many holes to fill.

AJ is without a doubt our most valuable commodity. If Roy Williams can bring in a 1st, 3rd, and 6th (I think it was a 6th too...) - then what can Andre Johnson bring in?

My thought is we look into trading AJ for proven DL or CB help and a pick. AJ is undoubtedly great, but WR is a position of strength for us and our Def is much more important, I believe.

Something like:

Oakland -
DE Kalimba Edwards - 31 tackles, 5 sacks - (3rd round equivalent value)
+
DT Gerard Warren - (5th round equivalent value)
+
1st round draft pick

I have no idea who is available by trade, but Edwards is their 3rd DE and Warren has played really good DT for 2 years now...Both could start for us....

When guys like Shaun Rogers are traded on the cheap - what starting material on the DL could be had for cheap value?

So - would it be worth exploring these options with AJ on the board?

Who would be good targets?

and maybe we could package mario,owen and even steve s and we could pick up a whole lotta sh.t, instead of just a little bit of sh.t

[TheGoaT]

our other receivers are good because we have AJ there to get all the attention. Take him away and our passing game goes down the toilet. You only trade your best player if you admit you need to rebuild for the next 5 years. The Texans dont need 5 years to rebuild. All the draft picks we might get for AJ would take several years to pay off.

[Vincesanity1.0]

how much longer is AJ's contract for?

[TexansMVP]

how much longer is AJ's contract for?

Per rotoworld:

3/3/2007: Signed an eight-year, $60 million contract. The deal includes $15 million in guarantees. 2008: $2.825 million, 2009: $5.325 million, 2010: $5.8 million, 2011: $6.8 million, 2012: $7.3 million, 2013: $7 million, 2014: $7.3 million, 2015: Free Agent

[BIG ERN]

CACK to this thread

[Blazin' Toro]

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RECEIVING

:D

[edo783]

how much longer is aj's contract for?

2014