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  • Jeff Bagwell and the Hall of Fame

    Jose de Jesus Ortiz @OrtizKicks
    After 100 public @BaseballHall ballots tracked by the great @NotMrTibbs, Bagwell is 2 pct. higher than Biggio at same point last year.
    On the surface, Jeff Bagwell's case for Cooperstown is strong. An outstanding, durable slugger with power, patience and positive value on the base paths and in the field, he ranked not only as one of the best hitters of his era, but also as one of the best all-around first basemen since World War II. While shoulder woes cut his career short and left his key counting stats on the lower side relative to the era's other heavy hitters, his rate stats were phenomenal, particularly when one considers that he spent his prime toiling in the Astrodome, a notoriously difficult environment for hitters.

    Yet when Bagwell first became eligible for the Hall of Fame in 2011, he emerged as one of the ballot's most controversial candidates, his resumé overshadowed by a whisper campaign that alleged he had used illegal performance-enhancing drugs in his career. Never mind that he had never tested positive for a banned substance, nor had he been mentioned in the Mitchell Report; for some voters, mere suspicion that he had used was enough. Amid the debate, many a voter or interested bystander (this scribe included) failed to note that he had admitted to using androstenedione long before it was outlawed by Major League Baseball in mid-2004.

    Since receiving just 41.7% of the vote in that first go-round, Bagwell has gained significant support, though since reaching 59.6% in 2013, he’s lost a bit of ground, receiving 55.7% in the last voting cycle. Then again, he’s hardly been alone among the holdovers, as eight first-ballot candidates have gained entry in those two years. Bagwell’s candidacy isn't in bad shape; aside from Gil Hodges, Jack Morris and any candidates still on this ballot, every player named by a simple majority of BBWAA voters has eventually been elected, either via the writers or an iteration of the Veterans Committee. That said, the truncation of the eligibility period from 15 years to 10 means that he’s in the second half of his stay on the ballot...

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    PLAYER	       CAREER   PEAK	JAWS	H	HR   SB	       AVG	  OPS+
    Jeff Bagwell	79.6	48.2	63.9	2,314	449  202 .297/.408/.540	  149
    Avg. HOF 1B	65.9	42.4	54.2
    Though he was born in Boston and drafted by the Red Sox in the fourth round in 1989 out of the University of Hartford, Bagwell never played an inning for the Olde Towne team. Instead, he was traded to the Astros in a 1990 deal for reliever Larry Andersen that has since become a cautionary tale. Andersen gave Boston...
    Looking like Baggy has a real shot at joining Craig Biggio in The Hall. 75% is needed, fingers crossed.
    In 2016 Brock Osweiler was rated last (32nd) among all QBs (>400 attempts) by ProFootballFocus and ranked 33rd/34 QBs (>200 attempts) by Football Outsiders.

  • #2
    Junkies have no business being in the hall of fame.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Gwozhog View Post
      Junkies have no business being in the hall of fame.
      What junkie would that be?

      Bagwell? Who never once was accused of taking HGH or steroids, nor was he mentioned in the Mitchell Report.

      Get your facts straight before accusing someone of something.

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      • #4
        Rookie year
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        • #5
          He must have drank a lot of protein shakes to have arms like Popeyes.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gwozhog View Post
            Rookie year
            Originally posted by Gwozhog View Post
            He must have drank a lot of protein shakes to have arms like Popeyes.
            His arms were already pretty developed in his rookie card. Was he supposed to look like his rookie card for his entire baseball career?

            You ever wonder why they have an All-Natural Body Building contest? What's that say about the Body Building contests? Funny thing, those guys competing in the All-Natural contests look much more fit than the other guys.

            Are you 100% certain that Bagwell only developed his physique via HGH/steroids and there was no way he could have achieved these results via any other methods?

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            • #7
              Were you guys even over 18 years old in the 90's during the peak steroid years of MLB. Apparently you are having a hard time spotting what a cheater looks like. We should start with an easier pic. Sample A on the left is what a natural person looks like. Sample B is a normal person that turned into a cheater. Notice the now well defined portions of this persons body that are just not possible with out PED's. Happy New year everyone!
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gwozhog View Post
                Were you guys even over 18 years old in the 90's during the peak steroid years of MLB. Apparently you are having a hard time spotting what a cheater looks like. We should start with an easier pic. Sample A on the left is what a natural person looks like. Sample B is a normal person that turned into a cheater. Notice the now well defined portions of this persons body that are just not possible with out PED's. Happy New year everyone!
                You obviously have no idea how to work out and develop muscles without steroids. If you think he did steroids based off those two pictures, then you need your eyes checked.

                You're acting like he turned from a toothpick sized kid into Andre the Giant. And for someone who was supposedly jucing according to you, his stats say otherwise. They didn't take off, they slowly declined before he retired.

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                • #9
                  It's the overwhelming opinion of everyone around baseball that Ken Griffey Jr. did NOT use PED's. Find his rookie picture and compare it to one about 10 years later.
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                  • #10
                    Today is the day, going to be very close.
                    ESPN Stats & Info @ESPNStatsInfo
                    Jeff Bagwell: 7 seasons of 30 HR & 100 BB; only 6 players have more (Bonds, Ruth, Thome, Gehrig, Thomas, Williams)
                    In 2016 Brock Osweiler was rated last (32nd) among all QBs (>400 attempts) by ProFootballFocus and ranked 33rd/34 QBs (>200 attempts) by Football Outsiders.

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                    • #11
                      If the "Big Hurt" is in, so should Bagwell.
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                      • #12
                        199 ballots accounted for, Jeff has 77.4% of those votes.

                        He needs 73.3% of the unaccounted for ballots to get in.

                        Last edited by H2O4me; 04-20-2017, 04:22 PM.
                        In 2016 Brock Osweiler was rated last (32nd) among all QBs (>400 attempts) by ProFootballFocus and ranked 33rd/34 QBs (>200 attempts) by Football Outsiders.

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                        • #13
                          About a minute away...
                          In 2016 Brock Osweiler was rated last (32nd) among all QBs (>400 attempts) by ProFootballFocus and ranked 33rd/34 QBs (>200 attempts) by Football Outsiders.

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                          • #14
                            Piazza(admitted banned substance use) and Griffey got in.

                            Bagwell left out.
                            In 2016 Brock Osweiler was rated last (32nd) among all QBs (>400 attempts) by ProFootballFocus and ranked 33rd/34 QBs (>200 attempts) by Football Outsiders.

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                            • #15
                              Brian McTaggart @brianmctaggart
                              Bagwell vote totals by years:
                              2011 (41.7%)
                              2012 (56.0%)
                              2013 (59.6%)
                              2014 (54.3%)
                              2015 (55.7%)
                              2016 (71.6 %)
                              15 votes shy of induction.
                              In 2016 Brock Osweiler was rated last (32nd) among all QBs (>400 attempts) by ProFootballFocus and ranked 33rd/34 QBs (>200 attempts) by Football Outsiders.

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